Aristotle Poetics 18.16

Thomas Twining (Translator)

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Even Agatho has failed on this account, and on this only: for, in revolutions, and in actions also of the simple kind, these Poets succeed wonderfully in what they aim at; and that is, the union of Tragic effect with moral tendency:

Poetics. Aristotle. Thomas Twining (Translator). London, UK. 1789.

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but like Euripides, in his Niobe and Medea.) And in these alone has Agatho failed; but in the tragedies that depend on the peripetía and those that have a single action (H) such poets often attain their purpose which is to produce tragic effect and at the same time gratify our feelings, by means which appear wonderful. As when a wise but wicked man, like Sisyphus, is deceived; or
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as Agatho says. For it is probable that many things may take place contrary to probability. It is neces- 1 sary likewise to conceive the chorus to be one of the players and a part of the whole, and that it co-operates with the players, not as in Euripides7,
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Et c'eſt là uniquement ce qui a été cauſe du malheur d'Agathon, car d'ailleurs tous ces Poëtes ſont merveilleux dans les péripeties & dans les denoüemens ſimples, qui ne laiſſent pas d'être tragiques, & de faire beau-coup de plaiſir.
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καὶ ἐν τοῖς ἁπλοῖς πράγμασι. I cannot think it necessary to bracket these words (with Susemihl). As περιπέτεια, which is the mark of the
‘complex’
story ( 10, 1452 a16 ; comp. 11, 1452 a32 ), is directly suggestive of it, ἐν ταῖς περιπετείαις is practically equivalent to ἐν τοῖς πεπλεγμένοις πράγμασι. Aristotle adds καὶ ἐν τοῖς ἁπλοῖς πράγμασι, in order to make his statement cover the whole ground by including both forms of plot. The failure of these unsuccessful poets, he says in effect, was really due not to any fault of execution, but to an initial mistake in their choice of subjects; they forgot the limitations of the Drama, and undertook to dramatize a story too long and too complex for the purposes of the stage.

16. mvp-aristotle-comment-678

ὧν βούλονται,
‘the effects they desire’
. The kind of effect, which is explained in the next clause ( τραγικὸν γὰρ τοῦτο καὶ φιλάνθρωπον), may not be of the best order; but it is that which, in their anxiety to please their public, they wish to produce.

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τραγικὸν γὰρ τοῦτο καὶ φιλάνθρωπον. For the change of number in τοῦτο comp. 19, 1456 ; it is the converse of that in 17, 1455 33 (comp. Bon. Ind. 490 b17 ). Aristotle's theory is that the tragic situation should be ἐλεεινόν—which implies that the sufferer does not deserve his misfortunes ( 13, 1453 a ); he incidentally admits, however, that it may be only φιλάνθρωπον (see on 13, 1452 b38 ), as it is, for instance, when the sufferings of the wicked are put before us in such a way as to arouse a certain commiseration or human feeling for the sufferers. The later Tragedy would seem to have affected this inferior form of tragic motive.

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21. mvp-aristotle-comment-446

18.16 21. Et c'eſt là uniquement ce qui a été cauſe du malheur d'Agathon.] 1

22. mvp-aristotle-comment-447

18.16 22. Car d'ailleurs tous ces Poëtes font merveilleux dans les peripeties & dans les denoüemens ſimples) 2

23. mvp-aristotle-comment-448

18.16 23. Qui ne laiſſent pas d'ètre tragiques, & de faire plaiſir.) 3

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155. mvp-aristotle-comment-155

NOTE 155. P. 102.

18.16 FOR, IN REVOLUTIONS, AND IN ACTIONS OF THE SIMPLE KIND, THESE POETS SUCCEED WONDERFULLY IN WHAT THEY AIM AT; AND THAT IS, THE UNION OF TRAGIC EFFECT WITH MORAL TENDENCY, &C.
Those annotators who make the words,
Εν δε ταις περιπετειαις
—the beginning of a separate precept relative to the use of the wonderful, have the natural construction of the text, and the uniform reading of all the MSS. against them. The natural and obvious construction, surely, is,
εν τουτῳ μονῳ· εν ΔΕ ταις περ.
κ. τ. αλ. And this is also confirmed by the mention of Agatho again, presently afterwards. All the MSS. too, it seems, give
θαυμαστως
, which can never be forced into the sense of
"per admirabile."
1 The alteration proposed by Heinfius—
στοχαζεται
, and
βουλεται
—in order to make this refer exclusively to Agatho, seems unnecessary.
Στοχαζονται
refers, very naturally, to Agatho in conjunction with the other Poets just mentioned, whose mistake, and whose failure, were the same.
I have ventured to render this passage in a manner somewhat different from any translator or commentator that I have seen.
Τραγικον γαρ τουτο, και φιλανθρωπον
. The question is, to what
τουτο
refers? The commentators are divided. It appears to me, that it refers to the purpose, at which these Poets are said to have aimed; and the
τουτο
, which follows, explains the
τραγικον και φιλανθρωπον
.—
τουτο ΓΑΡ
—"for this (i. e. which they aim at,) is both Tragic and Moral." The reader will see how exactly what follows suits this sense; and how this passage helps to confirm the sense given to the word
φιλανθρωπον
, in cap. xiii. [See NOTE 94.] where,
ελεεινον και φοβερον
, is plainly equivalent to
τραγικον
here. The difficulty was, to reconcile these two effects. Aristotle's expression,
στοχαζονται ΘΑΥΜΑΣΤΩΣ
—"surprisingly well"—implies this difficulty, and, that he does not speak of the practice as perfectly agreeable to his own theory of the Tragic drama. In the subjects here instanced, there was the
φιλανθρωπον
, because the
αδικια
and
πονηρια
were punished: and, at the same time, the
τραγικον
, though not amounting to what the critic required, was not wanting, because there was the unexpected reverse of fortune, a calamitous event,
παθη
, &c. 2 The persons suffering, too, were distinguished by eminent wisdom and courage; and though such characters are not what Aristotle recommends as the fittest for Tragic purposes, 3 yet, by the substitution of admirable and splendid, for moral and estimable, qualities, they are made to produce, in some degree, a similar effect upon the spectator. 4
This appears to me to be the sense of the passage; and it leads me strongly to suspect, that, instead of
εν τοις ΑΠΛΟΙΣ πραγμασι
, we should read—
εν τοις ΔΙΠΛΟΙΣ πρ.
How easily the mistake might happen, is obvious to the eye. My reasons are these: 1. The
φιλανθρωπον
—moral tendency—poetical justice, &c. was the very characteristic of the double fable, (
διπλη συστασις
) and the very reason, probably, why the Platonic critics, as well as the good-natured audiences, preferred it as the best plan. 2. The instances here given seem to accord exactly with this idea. They are plainly examples of the
διπλη συστασις
, not of the simple fable—i. e. the fable without revolution or discovery. The expression,
τραγικον
γαρ τουτο και φιλανθρωπον
, implies, that the Tragic and Moral were aimed at, and effected, by these Poets, both in the
περιπετειαι
, and in the other actions mentioned, whatever they were—
εν τοις περιπ. και εν τοις πραγμασι
: and, consequently, his subsequent examples of the
τραγικον και φιλανθρωπον
must equally accord with both. But, if we read
απλοις
, this will not be the case; for those examples are such as necessarily imply revolutions, and a sudden and unexpected turn of events, which suit very well with
ΔΙΠΛΟΙΣ πραγμασι
, but are incompatible with
απλοις
; the simple fable being defined by this very circumstance, that it is
ανευ περιπετειας
, &c. (cap. x.) 5

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18.6. mvp-aristotle-comment-73 18.16

IN THE TRAGEDIES THAT DEPEND ON THE PERIPETÍA AND THOSE THAT HAVE A SINGLE ACTION, SUCH POETS OFTEN ATTAIN THEIR PURPOSE; WHICH IS TO PRODUCE TRAGIC EFFECT, AND AT THE SAME TIME GRATIFY OUR FEELINGS BY MEANS WHICH APPEAR WONDERFUL.

I HAVE in this edition adopted the general sense given to this paffage by Mr. Twining, as well as the division of the whole passage, which I think perfectly just (N). Aristotle has condemned Agatho for crouding too many incidents into his drama. He now specifies in what he, and writers of the fame kind excel [o]. As to the expreffion of the [N] See his note 155. [o] As it does not appear that this excellence has any relation to the above-mentioned defect, he appears only to point out this merit of Agatho as a kind of fet-off against the other fault. And when he classes other poets with him, as he does by the use of the plural verb σοχάζονται, he must mean, I think, poets of the fame class with him in this particular excellence. means
POETIC OF ARISTOTLE. means being wonderful, (P) I would grasp at the flightest shadow that could justify the meaning I have ventured to give it, after Goulstone, Riccoboni, and Mr. Winstanley. Surprize, wonder, even improbability, are clearly the attendants of the kind of arrangement Aristotle is speaking of; and that they so appeared to him is equally clear from the apology he immediately makes for Agatho, by a quotation from his works. As to his confining these kind of folutions to the tragedies depending on peripetía, and those of a fingle construction, I do not fee the leaft propriety as to the last. Απλόος is in Chap. XIII. used twice by Ariftotle, and each time in a different sense, once as opposed to complicated and once as opposed to double. (See Notes (A) and (c), on the tranflation of Chap. x111.) If it is taken in the first sense as oppofed to complicated, the two examples must take in every species of tragedy, for in the tenth chapter he mentions the distinction between the fimple and complicated tragedy to depend on the one's having peripetía and difcovery, and the other not having them. But every tragedy must either have or not have the peripetía and discovery. Neither does the other meaning of ἀπλόος (which of the two evils I have chofen) agree much better; fince the overthrow of vice, though supported by wisdom and strength, manifestly must produce a different catastrophe for the good [P] That θαυμαςῶς cannot have the sense of per admirabile, is obvious. Mr. Twining fays, ' it feems all the Mss. give θαυμασῷς.' The sense of the context appears to call so loudly for the other meaning, that if all the printed copies and translators agreed, I should be tempted, MEO PERICULO, not to fuffer one figma to stand in my way, but read θαυμασῷ. But besides the authority of the tranflators I have quoted, it appears from the Spanish edition of Flores, that θαυμασῷ was the most popular reading. Since, he says, ' SOME editors (Algunas editores,) read θαυμαςῶς instead of θαυμασῷ. 3 C2 and
A COMMENTARY ON THE CHAP. XVIII. and the bad, which he makes in Chap. XIII, the essential distinction between the double and the single story. ، But here a much more essential difficulty occurs. Aristotle in the thirteenth chapter expreffly declares, that ' a very bad man should not • be reprefented as falling from happiness to misery, for though such an arrangement might be agreeable to our feelings, it would excite neither pity nor terror;' and confequently, according to Aristotle's precife definition of the word, would not be tragical. Yet here he gives absolutely and in unequivocal terms to this very arrangement of fable, the particular merit which he has before expreffly denied it. ، I can folve this difficulty into no other cause than change of opinion. And as I must think such a change of opinion justifies the proverb, * Second thoughts are best;' I can impute it only to the triumph of feeling over hypothesis [2]. Of vicious wisdom deceived, Sir Giles Overreach and Shylock are instances, as is the death of Dionyfius by Euphrafia, of the unexpected overthrow of impious courage and power. [Q] See Chap. XIII. Note III and VII. NOTE

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Ritter, cap. 18 § 5

ὅσοι πέρσιν Ἰλίου ὅλην ἐποίησαν: qui eversionem Iliacae urbis totam tragoediae argumentum fecerunt. varia illa quae acciderunt, cum Ilium devastaretur, una tragoedia comprehendi salva lege dramaticae unitatis non possunt, quam ob causam eae fabulae displicuerunt quae id praestare conarentur. ceterum de certo tragoediae cuiusdam nomine ( Πέρσις Ἰλίου) ne cogitemus, vel collocatio verborum ( πέρσις Ἰλίου) impedit. carmen illud epicum Arctini et Leschis (v. ad c. 23, 4) non πέρσις Ἰλίου, sed Ἰλίου πέρσις 1) vocatur, eodemque modo tragoedia appellanda erit, si quidem unquam eo titulo tragoedia exstitit, vid. Commentar. ad c. 23, 4. καὶ μὴ κατὰ μέρος [, ὥσπερ Εὐριπίδης Νιόβην, καὶ μὴ ὥσπερ Αἰσχύλος]: haec est constans co- 1) Conf. c. 23, 4. Pausan. X, 25 et 27. Proculi Chrestom. excerpta apud Gaisfordium ad Hephaest. p. 483., alii,dicum scriptura, unde qui discessere huius loci auctorem et doctiorem et prudentiorem fecerunt quam re vera fuit. Aristotelem non scripsisse verba uncis circumdata plura sunt quae ostendant. Euripidi fabula tribuitur quam non conscripsit; eadem ad devastationem Ilii a vero auctore memoratam nihil pertinet; Euripides laudatur quod fabulam Niobiam κατά μέρος tractaverit, Aeschylus reprehenditur quod eadem solertia non usus sit. haec ego ne antiquo quidem interpolatori tribuo, quippe in ipso verborum contextu nimis absurda sunt, sed ex nota marginali nata esse puto. scilicet cum in extremo codicis antiqui versu collocata essent verba illa καὶ μὴ κατὰ μέρος, aliquis in margine adscripsit ὥσπερ Εὐριπίδης Νιόβην, intelligens κατὰ μέρος ἐποίησε, illisque καὶ μὴ ὥσπερ Αἰσχύλος adiectis significavit Aeschylum Niobae fabulam deterius in rem suam convertisse. iam, si pro Euripidis nomine interim Sophoclis admiserimus, quae in ipso operis contextu et sensu carent et disputationis ordinem turbant, ea hanc si minus veram at tolerabilem sententiam offerunt, Sophoclem (Euripidem) in Nioba sua fabulae Niobiae particulam, Aeschylum eandem totam (in trilogia) pertractandam sibi sumpsisse. sed nihilo minus Euripidem de loco per scribentis errorem benigne concesso non movendum esse censeo. qui coniecturis hanc difficultatem tollere conati sunt, operam me iudice perdiderunt. Valla convertit Hecubam, non Niobam, unde Tyrwhittus Εκάβην sumpsit, sed ne Hecuba quidem ad Ilii eversionem pertinet, sed ad illa quae secuta sunt eversionem, ut omittam sic iniuste laudari fabulam illam pessimam et duplice argumento vitiosam, neque adesse quo referantur καὶ μὴ ὥσπερ Αἰσχύλος. Aldus ex coniectura vel sua vel alius dedit νιόβην ἢ μήδειαν, quibus loci difficultas magis etiam augetur. alii alia tentaverunt. ἢ ἐκπίπτουσιν ἢ κακῶς ἀγωνίζονται: aut exiguntur aut male certant, h. e. aut fabulam peragere non possunt aut ita certant ut nonnisi secundo tertiove loco nominentur. conf. c. 17, 1. ἐπεὶ καὶ ᾿Αγάθων ἐξέ - πεσεν ἐν τούτῳ μόνῳ: Agatho in tragoedia quadam ase edita ( Ἰλίου πέρσιν inscriptam fuisse neque hinc neque alio indicio constat) totam excidii urbis Troiae historiam videtur comprehendisse, verbi causa illa quae Priamo indigna acciderunt, quae Cassandra et Astyanax aliique perpessi sunt, quae Ulixes et Aiax et Agamemno perpatraverunt. ex verbis ἐξέπεσεν ἐν τούτῳ μόνῳ ne colligas Agathonem vicisse in ceteris suis fabulis omnibus: quippe potuit in nonnullis κακῶς ἀγωνίζεσθαι. ἐν δὲ ταῖς περιπετείαις - ὧν βούλονται θαν - μαστῶς: si rerum conversiones ( αἱ περιπέτειαι) sunt eiusmodi ut simplicibus factis ( ἁπλοῖς πράγμασιν) eveniant, quod fit ubi necessario vel probabiliter accidunt, poetae tragici propositum suum optime consequuntur. intelligit igitur eas περιπετείας quae ἁπλοῖς πράγμασι, non συστήματι πολυμύθῳ, continentur, atque haec ipsa ἁπλᾶ πράγματα non μύθῳ πεπλεγμένῳ sed συστήματι πολυμύθῳ opposita cogitari debent. noli igitur confundere ἁπλᾶ πράγματα cum ἁπλῇ πράξει sive ἁπλῷ μύθῳ (vide c. 10 et 11) neque statuere Aristotelem contra loqui c. 13, 2., ubi pronuntiat pulcherrimae tragoediae fabulam ( μύθον) implexam esse, non simplicem. - τραγικὸν γὰρ τοῦτο καὶ φιλάνθρωπον : tragicum hoc est, quia eiusmodi facta timorem miserationemque movent. nam simplicia cum naturae convenienter fieri soleant, similia cuivis accidere possunt. inde timor in nobis et simul aliorum miseratio nascitur; sin minus, certe sensus humanus tangitur.