Aristotle Poetics 18.12

Thomas Twining (Translator)

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They should endeavour to deserve equal applause in both.

Poetics. Aristotle. Thomas Twining (Translator). London, UK. 1789.

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Editions (4)
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 18 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 18 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 18 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Franz Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's 1839 Greek edition, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 18 focus
Translations (13)
Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 18 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 18 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 18 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 18 focus
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 18.12 focus
and the solution ill, though they ought to be equally skilful in both. It [E] is necessary to remember as has often already been observed, not to give a tragedy the form of an epic poem.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) Experimental (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 18.12 focus
or contend without success; since Agatho also failed in this alone. But in revolutions,
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 18 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 18.12 focus
mais il faut réüſſir également dans l'un & dans l'autre.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 18 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 18 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 18 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition) (OCR draft) Experimental (The Arabic translation attributed to Abū Bishr Mattā, edited by Jaroslaus Tkatsch in 1928 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 18 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition, unaligned) (OCR draft) Experimental (Tkatsch's edition of the medieval Arabic translation in its original, unaligned segmentation.) — 18 focus

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

20. mvp-aristotle-comment-684

τὰ ᾀδόμενα: the choral, as opposed to τὰ λεγόμενα, the spoken parts of the play. In [ Demosthenes] 60. 9
τοὺς τῶν ἀδομένων ποιητάς
is a way of describing the lyric poets; comp. also Plato Rep. 398 C
οὐκοῦν ὅσον γε αὐτοῦ λόγος ἐστίν, οὐδὲν δήπου διαφέρει [scil. τὸ μέλος] τοῦ μὴ ἀδομένου λόγου.

20. mvp-aristotle-comment-685

ἐμβόλιμα:
‘carmina intercalaria’
( Budaeus). The word is usually a term of chronology, as in Herod. 1. 32 and 2. 4 . With the grammarians it seems to have meant
‘interpolated’
: Hesychius
ἐμβόλιμα ἔπη τὰ ὑπὸ τῶν γραμματικῶν ὡς ἀλλότρια καὶ νόθα ἀθετούμενα.
Cicero has the very similar word ἐμβόλιον in Ep. ad Q. Fr. 3. 1, 24 , in the sense of an
‘insertion’
or
‘interlude’
(v. Ernesti, Lex. tech. gr. p. 118 ). Twining's note on this passage is well worth quoting:
‘It is curious to trace the gradual extinction of the Chorus. At first, it was all; then, relieved by the intermixture of dialogue, but still principal; then, subordinate to the dialogue; then digressive, and ill connected with the piece; then borrowed from other pieces at pleasure—and so on, to the fiddles and act-tunes, at which Dacier is so angry.’

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

29. mvp-aristotle-comment-454

18.20 29. Dans tous les autres Poëtes, c'est encore pis; car les Chœurs n'appartiennent pas plus aux sujets qu'ils traitent qu'à toute autre Tragedie; c'est pourquoy ils ne chantent plus que des chansons inferees.] 1

30. mvp-aristotle-comment-455

18.20 30. Agathon est le premier qui a introduit ce mauvais uſage.] 2

31. mvp-aristotle-comment-456

18.20 31. Cependant quelle difference peut-on mettre entre chanter des chansons inferées, & tranſporter de longs recits d'une piece dans une autre, ou un Epiſode entier.] 3

Commentary on the Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) (Thomas Twining's notes on Aristotle's Poetics, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

158. mvp-aristotle-comment-158

NOTE 158. P. 103.

18.20 THEIR CHORAL SONGS, &C.There cannot, surely, be the least doubt, that, for
ΔΙΔΟΜΕΝΑ
, we should read,
ΑΙΔΟΜΕΝΑ
: an emendation so obvious, that it occurred to me the first time I ever read the passage. But I afterwards found, that it had occurred, long ago, to Madius ; a circumstance, which, to my great astonishment, has been passed over in utter silence by all the subsequent commentators that I have seen.
The words of Madius are—
"Mendum igitur in verbis omnino esse censeo; ac primum in voce
διδομενα
, quæ in locum vocis
ᾠδομενα
irrepsit: nam verbum
δειν
, quod paulò post ponitur, aperte indicat, locum, ut nos fecimus, castigandum."
—I can attribute it only to some inadvertence, or mistake, that Mr. Winstanley , in his note, p. 294, has omitted to take notice of this most material part of Madius's comment on the passage. The emendation is confirmed by the
ᾠδεσι
, and
ᾠδειν
, which follow; by the extreme facility of the mistake, and by the difficulty of giving any reasonable explanation of the other reading.
Διδόμενα
, says Victorius ,
"quia magistratus eos (sc. choros) dabat."
But he agrees that
μελη
is understood; and though we read, often, of the magistrate's giving a Chorus, (
δεναι χορον
,) that is, furnishing the expence of the choral dresses, &c. we no where read, I believe, of their giving the Choral Odes.

Commentary on the Poetics (Henry James Pye, 1792) (OCR draft) (Henry James Pye's 1792 English commentary, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

18.9. mvp-aristotle-comment-76 18.20

INTRODUCING SONGS WHICH HAD NO CONNECTION WITH THE PIECE.

THESE extraneous fongs which Aristotle calls Embolima, by no means want their counter-part on the present theatre. It is not uncommon to fee it announced in the play-bills, that in fuch a part fuch a fong will be introduced. In the Italian opera (I mean as exhibited in this country) so little is the drama regarded that two acts only are often performed to give more time for the dances. A most ridiculous instance of these Embolima occurs in the English opera of Artaxerxes. The author, or rather the tranflator, took the opening chorus of Adriano in Siria, which happens to follow Artaserse in the works of Metastafio, for his finale, and consequently dressed a Perfian king in all the attributes of a Roman emperor. [z] [z] Adriano in Siria opens with this chorus, Vivi a noi vivi all impero Grande Augusto, e la tua fronte Su l'Oriente prigionero S' accostumi al facro allora. Of which, this tranflation is the finale of Artaxerxes. Live to us, to empire live Great Augustus, long may'st thou From the subject East receive Laurel wreaths to grace thy brow. See Andrews's Anecotes, Article Errors, page 108. CHAP.
... POETIC OF ARISTOTLE.

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-129

Ritter, cap. 18 § 7

καὶ τὸν χορὸν - παρά Σοφοκλεῖ: ut per tragoediam unum quoddam ( ἕν τι) et totum ( ὅλον) exprimatur, opus est ut chori cantica cum fabulae argumento cohaereant: alioquin unitas fabulae perit et cantica ista vana funduntur. qui chorum tamquam actoris partes sustinentem accipere iubetur, est is qui tragoediam scripturus est: hunc enim etiamnum Aristoteles respicit. quae chorus canit loquiturve, ea ex ipsa actione tragica ducta esse decet. praeclare Horatius in Arte poetica v. 193. actoris partes chorus officiumque virile defendat, neu quid medios intercinat actus, quod non proposito conducat et haereat apte. chorus Euripideus non raro officium suum deserit et intercinit quae a proposito aliena sunt. magis etiam in hoc praeceptum peccavit Agatho Euripidi aetate suppar, quo auctore ἐμβόλιμα (exodia) in tragoediam recepta sunt, h. e. cantica ab argumento tragoediae aliena et pro arbitrio poetae inserta. τὰ ἀδόμενα οὐ: codices τὰ διδόμενα. vid. notae crit. qui τὰ διδόμενα defendere et explicare tentarunt, ad inania et prava prolapsi videntur. quomodo ἀδόμενα corrumpi potuerit in διδόμενα comparanti AI ΔOMENA et 1110- MENA liquet. negationem οὐ praecedens vocalis absorpsit. οἱ λοιποί sunt tragici Euripide posteriores quibus ad exodia facienda exemplum Agatho praeivit.