Aristotle Poetics 13.13

Thomas Twining (Translator)

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This kind of pleasure, however, is not the proper pleasure of Tragedy, but belongs rather to Comedy; for there, if even the bitterest enemies, like Orestes and Aegisthus, are introduced, they quit the scene at last in perfect friendship, and no blood is shed on either side.

Poetics. Aristotle. Thomas Twining (Translator). London, UK. 1789.

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Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 13 focus
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but rather what belongs to comedy for there, though the characters according to the fable, are as implacable enemies as Orestes and Ægisthus, they must go out reconciled at the end of the play and no person must be killed by another.
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This pleasure, however, is not [properly] derived from tragedy, but is rather suited to comedy. For there, though the greatest enemies be introduced, as Orestes and AEgisthus, yet in the end they depart friends, and no one falls by the hand of the other7.
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 13 focus
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Mais le plaiſir que donne cette Fable n'eſt pas à beaucoup prés ſi propre à la Tragedie qu'à la Comedie; en effet on voit à la Comedie des ennemis auſſi irréconciliables qu'Oreſte & qu'Egyſthe, devenir à la fin fort bons amis, & ſe retirer ſans qu'il y ait de côté ny d'autre une goute de ſang répandu.
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Commentary

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13. mvp-aristotle-comment-472

ἔστιν δὲ οὐχ αὕτη. The οὐχ here negatives the proposition, and not the proximate word, αὕτη. Bäumlein, Gr. Partikeln p. 308 (followed by Kühner, Gr. Gr. 2. 2 p. 179), quotes a very similar passage from Isocrates 4, 130
ἔστι δ᾽ οὐχ οἷόν τ᾿ ἀποτρέπειν
, and explains the position of the negative as due to a desire to avoid the collocation οὐδ᾽ ἔστι ( . . οὐ δέ ἐστι).
αὕτη (=τοῦτο) is the subject with its gender assimilated to that of the predicate (v. on 6, 1450 a 4).
1453b 1

13. mvp-aristotle-comment-473

1453b ἀπὸ τραγῳδίας ἡδονὴ: 'the pleasure of Tragedy', as we should say (comp. Kühner, Gr. Gr. 2. 1 p. 336). For this use of the preposition comp. Top. 1. 15, 106 a 37
τῇ ἀπὸ τοῦ πίνειν ἡδονῇ
. — Eth. N. 10. 2, 1173 a 28
αἱ ἀπὸ τῶν καλῶν ἡδοναί
. — Plato Rep. 582 B
τῆς ἀπὸ τοῦ εἰδέναι ἡδονῆς
. For the absence of the article see Bon. Ind. 54 b 51.

13. mvp-aristotle-comment-474

1453b 4 κωμῳδίας οἰκεία. The conclusions of the Orestes and Alcestis of Euripides were said to verge on Comedy (v. Trendelenburg, Gramm. gr. de arte poetica iudiciorum rel. p. 36).

13. mvp-aristotle-comment-475

ἐκεῖ γὰρ κτὲ. The reference is probably to the Orestes of Alexis or some other comedy on the same subject (comp. Kock, CAF. 2 p. 358).

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

32. mvp-aristotle-comment-323

13.13 Mais le plaisir que donne cette Fable, n'est pas à beau-coup prés si propre à la Tragedie qu'à la Comedie.] 1

33. mvp-aristotle-comment-324

13.13 En effet on voit à la Comedie des ennemis auſſi irreconcilia-bles qu'Oreste & qu' Egiſthe, devenir à la fin fort bons amis.] 2

34. mvp-aristotle-comment-325

13.13 Et fe retirer ſans qu'il y ayt de côté ny d'autre, un goute de ſang répandu.] 3

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100. mvp-aristotle-comment-100

NOTE 100. P. 89.

13.13 THIS KIND OF PLEASURE IS NOT THE PROPER PLEASURE OF TRAGEDY, BUT BELONGS RATHER TO COMEDY, &C.
What is the proper pleasure to be expected from Tragedy, we have already been told, and we are told again, more plainly, if possible, in the next chapter. It is—
ἡ ἀπο ἐλεου και φοβου ἩΔΟΝΗ
: "the pleasure that arises from pity and terror". The double fable Aristotle seems to have considered as not giving this pleasure, or at least, as giving it weakly and imperfectly, because all the unhappiness of the catastrophe falls on the odious characters, the
σφοδρα πονηρος
. In the room of this pleasure, which Tragedy ought to give, the double fable substitutes that of a satisfactory conclusion; a catastrophe accommodated to the wishes of the spectator. But this, says Aristotle, is a pleasure that rather belongs to Comedy than to Tragedy:
ΜΑΛΛΟΝ της κωμῳδιας οἰκεια
. For he is not here rejecting this double plan, but only shewing why it is not, as some held it to be, the best,
πρωτη
. Such Tragedies, he says, afford a pleasure of the same kind, at least, with that which Comedy affords; though Comedy indeed goes farther; for there, all must end well; enemies, as inveterate as Orestes and Ægisthus, must shake hands at last, and the spectator must be dismissed with no impression upon his mind, but that of pure and unmixed pleasure.
If we understand the passage in this way, it will not, I think, be necessary to suppose, what, I own, I was once much inclined to suppose with Heinsius , that the text is defective; and that, after the word
θεώταις
, Aristotle had, originally, mentioned the third and worst kind of fable, terminating in a happy event to all the characters; to which, and not to the second species, what follows about Comedy was meant to be applied . Very specious reasons might certainly be produced in support of such a conjecture, if it were necessary. But we have no encouragement from MSS. to suspect any omission, and the passage, as here explained, seems to have little, or no, difficulty. The chief objection is, that what is here said of Comedy is not applicable to the double Tragic fable, in which there is no reconciliation of enemies, &c. But it was not, I think, intended to be so closely applicable. All that Aristotle meant must have been, to shew, that the pleasure arising from his second species of fable, differed only in degree from that of Comedy; that the circumstance of ending satisfactorily was common to both 1 .
Chaucer's Monk had the true Aristotelic idea of Tragedy:
Canterbury tales, v. 13979. Mr. Tyrwhitt's ed.
Tragedie is to sayn a certain storie,
As olde bookes maken us memorie,
Of him that stood in gret prosperitee,
And is yfallen out of high degree
In to miserie, and endeth wretchedly.
But the knight, and the host, were among the
θεαται ΑΣΘΕΝΕΙΣ
:
Ho! quod the knight, good sire, no more of this:
That ye han said is right ynough ywis,
And mochel more; for litel hevinesse
Is right ynough to mochel folk, I gesse.
I say for me, it is a gret disese, [uneasiness]
Wher as men have ben in gret welth and ese,
To heren of hir sodein fall, alas!
And the contrary is joye and gret solas,
As whan a man hath ben in poure estat,
And climbeth up, and wexeth fortunat,
And ther abideth in prosperitee:
Swiche thing is gladsom, as it thinketh me,
And of swiche thing were goodly for to telle.
v. 14773, &c.

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8. mvp-aristotle-comment-94

Ritter, cap. 13 § 8

ἔστι δὲ οὐχ αὕτη ἀπὸ τραγῳδίας ἡδονή: voluptas quae ex felice tragoediae eventu redundat, ea non ex tragoedia exit qua tragoedia est. quae sequuntur ἀλλὰ μᾶλλον τῆς κωμωδίας οἰκεία cet. praecipue spectant mediam comoediam. in antiqua comoedia non inauditum erat et in solens, si fabula in tristem finem desineret, ut desinunt Nubes Aristophanis et desinebant eiusdem Babylonii et Daeta lenses. conf. Fritzschii de Daetalensibus Aristophanis Commentatio p. 133. :