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As to magnitude, an animal or any other thing that has constituent parts, to be beautiful, must not only have those parts well connected but should also have a certain proper size for beauty depends on size as well as symmetry; on which account no very small animal can be beautiful for the view being made in almost an imperceptible space of time, will be confused:

Poetics. Aristotle. ed. Henry James Pye. London. 1792.

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2. Again: whatever is beautiful, whether it be an animal, or any other thing composed of different parts, must not only have those parts arranged in a certain manner, but must also be of a certain magnitude; for beauty consists in magnitude and order 1 .
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but a magnitude also which is not casual For the beautiful consists in magnitude and order. Hence, neither can any very small animal be beautiful; for the survey of it is confused, since it is effected in a time nearly insensible. Nor yet a very large animal; for it is not surveyed at once, but its subsistence as one and a whole escapes the view of the spectators; such as if, for instance, it should be an animal of ten thousand stadia in length. 1 Hence,
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Ajoûtez à cela que tout ce qu'il y a de beau parmy les hommes, & parmy les autres êtres, s'il eſt compoſé de parties, doit avoir non ſeulement un ordre, mais encore une grandeur juſte & raiſonnable, car le beau conſiſte dans l'ordre & dans la grandeur.
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Commentary

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8. mvp-aristotle-comment-300

τὸ καλὸν κτέ. Having just laid it down that the μῦθος must be a complete whole, Aristotle assumes that it must also be a beautiful whole, and proceeds to show that, if it is to be that, it must be of a certain magnitude, neither too long nor too short. Beauty, he says, depends on two conditions: the beautiful object must be (1) large enough to allow of our seeing the orderly arrangement of its parts, and (2) not so large as to be incapable of being taken in as a whole in one coup d'œil. With this we may compare Metaph. M 3, 1078 a 36
τοῦ δὲ καλοῦ μέγιστα εἴδη τάξις καὶ συμμετρία καὶ τὸ ὡρισμένον
—where τάξις corresponds with the first, and τὸ ὡρισμένον with the second of the two conditions in the present passage. For the form of the opening statement comp. De long. vitae 5, 466 a 26
τὰ μεγάλα καὶ ζῷα καὶ φυτά
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8. mvp-aristotle-comment-301

ζῷον : 23, 1459 a 20
ἵν᾿ ὥσπερ ζῷον ἓν ὅλον ποιῇ τὴν οἰκείαν ἡδονήν
. The analogy between a literary whole and a living organism is postulated in Plato Phaedr. 264 c
ἀλλὰ τόδε γε οἶμαί σε φάναι ἄν, δεῖν πάντα λόγον ὥσπερ ζῷον συνεστάναι σῶμά τι ἔχοντα αὐτὸν αὐτοῦ, ὥστε μήτε ἀκέφαλον εἶναι μήτε ἄπουν, ἀλλὰ μέσα τε ἔχειν καὶ ἄκρα, πρέποντ᾿ ἀλλήλοις καὶ τῷ ὅλῳ γεγραμμένα
. It seems to mean here a living, as distinct from an artificial, whole, as it clearly does in Top. 1. 15, 106 a 20
τῷ καλῷ τῷ μὲν ἐπὶ τοῦ ζῴου τὸ αἰσχρόν, τῷ δ᾿ ἐπὶ τῆς οἰκίας τὸ μοχθηρόν
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1450b35 πρᾶγμα a 'thing': Top. 1. 5, 102 a 18
ἴδιον δ᾿ ἐστὶν μὴ δηλοῖ μὲν τὸ τί ἦν εἶναι, μόνῳ δ᾿ ὑπάρχει καὶ ἀντικατηγορεῖται τοῦ πράγματος
. — De anima 3. 8, 432 a 3
πρᾶγμα οὐθέν ἐστι παρὰ τὰ μεγέθη, ὡς δοκεῖ, τὰ αἰσθητὰ κεχωρισμένον
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1450b36 μέγεθος ὑπάρχειν μὴ τὸ τυχόν : De gen. an. 2. 6, 745 a 5
ἔστι γάρ τι πᾶσι τοῖς ζώοις πέρας τοῦ μεγέθους
. — Pol. 7. 4, 1326 a 35
ἔστι τι καὶ πόλεσι μεγέθους μέτρον, ὥσπερ καὶ τῶν ἄλλων πάντων, ζῴων φυτῶν ὀργάνων
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τάξει According to Top. 3. 1, 116 b 21 , beauty is thought to consist in συμμετρία (
τὸ δὲ κάλλος τῶν μελῶν τις συμμετρία δοκεῖ εἶναι
); and according to Metaph. M 3, 1078 a 36 in τάξις καὶ συμμετρία καὶ τὸ ὡρισμένον. In the beauty of a μῦθος, however, there is no room for the idea of συμμετρία.
1450b38

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

8. mvp-aristotle-comment-210

7.8 8. Ajoûtez à cela que tout ce qu'il y a de beau parmy les animaux, & parmy les autres Êtres, ſi il eſt compoſé de parties, doit avoir non ſeulement un ordre, mais encore une grandeur juſte & raiſonnable.] 1

9. mvp-aristotle-comment-211

7.8 9. S'il eſt compoſé de parties.] 2

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60. mvp-aristotle-comment-60

NOTE 60. P. 79.

7.8 WHETHER IT BE AN ANIMAL, &C.
Αλλα τοδε γε οιμαι σε φαναι ἀν δειν, παντα λογον ΩΣΠΕΡ ΖΩΟΝ συνεσταναι, σωμα τι ἐχοντα αυτον αὑτου ὡστε μητε ΑΚΕΦΑΛΟΝ ειναι μητε ΑΠΟΥΝ, άλλα ΜΕΣΑ τε εχειν, και ΑΚΡΑ, πρεποντα άλληλοις και τω ὍΛΩ.
Plato, in Phædro, p. 264, ed. Ser.

61. mvp-aristotle-comment-61

NOTE 61. P. 79.

7.8 BEAUTY CONSISTS IN MAGNITUDE AND ORDER.
There is something singular, something, at least, not quite consonant to modern ideas, in the great stress which the antients appear to have laid upon size, as a necessary constituent of beauty in the human form. They seem, indeed, to have despised every thing that was not large; and to have estimated beauty, not by measure only, but by weight also.
"Magnanimity,"
the Philosopher in his Ethics
says,
"consists in greatness of soul, as beauty also consists in greatness of body. Little men may be called
άστειοι
, and
συμμετροι
, pretty, and well-shaped, but not
ΚΑΛΟΙ
, handsome, or beautiful."
Ethic. Nicom. lib. iv. cap. 3.
That magnitude should have entered, as essential, into their idea of a handsome man, is not surprising. The utility of strength, and the connection between strength and size, is sufficient to account for this. But what appears most singular is, that they insist no less upon the importance of magnitude to female beauty.
—ΘΗΛΕΙΩΝ δε ἀρετη, σωματος μεν, καλλος και ΜΕΓΕΘΟΣ.
Rhet. i. cap. v. Homer seldom omits size in his descriptions of this kind.
Ἔσκε δε πατρος ἐμοιο γυνη Φοινίσσ᾽ ἐνι οικῳ,
Καλη τε ΜΕΓΑΛΗ τε, και ἀγλαα ἔργ᾽ ειδυῖα.
Od. O. 416.
Nor let it be objected, that this praise comes from a swine-herd; for Eurymachus, a suitor, and a courtier, compliments Penelope, by telling her, that she was more accomplished in mind, handsomer, and LARGER, than other women:
ἐπει περιεσσι γυναικων
Ειδός τε, ΜΕΓΕΘΟΣ τε, ἰδε φρενας ἔνδον ἐἴσας.
Od. Σ. 248.
And, indeed, when Minerva, that Penelope might fascinate the suitors, anointed her with the cosmetic wash of Venus, and gave a supernatural heightening to all her charms, at the same time that she made her skin "whiter than ivory," she made her also "taller and stouter."
Αμβροτα δωρα δίδου, ἱνα μιν θησαιατ᾿ Αχαιοἰ
Καλλει μεν οι πρωτα προσωπα τε καλα καθηρεν
Αμβροσιῳ, οἱῳ περ ἐϋστεφανος Κυθέρεια
Χριεται, ἐυτ᾿ ἂν ἴῃ Χαριτων χορον ἱμεροεντα·
Και μιν ΜΑΚΡΟΤΕΡΗΝ ΚΑΙ ΠΑΣΣΟΝΑ θηκεν ιδεσθαι.
Ibid. 190.
Thus, too, of the daughters of Pandarus:
Ἡρη δ αυτῃσιν περι πασεων δωκε γυναικων
Ειδος και πινυτην, ΜΗΚΟΣ δ᾽ ἐπορ᾿ Αρτεμις άγνη.
When Penelope, in the beginning of the twenty-first book, goes to fetch the key of the repository, where the bow of Ulysses was kept, Homer describes her as taking hold of the key with her "stout hand:"
Ἑιλετο δε κληιδ᾽ ἐυκαμπεα ΧΕΙΡΙ ΠΑΧΕΙΗ.
Od. Φ. 6. —which Ernestus, who allows, that,
"manu crassâ, non benè convenit feminæ pulchræ et reginæ,"
would fain soften down into the
main potelée
of the French. Quintilian observes of Zeuxis, who drew the heads and limbs of his figures very large, that, in this, he followed HOMER,
"cui validissima quæque forma, etiam in fæminis, placet;"
lib. xii. cap. 10.
and, that he did this,
"id amplius atque augustius ratus:"
and, indeed, these ideas of the antients relative to beauty, both male and female, seem to have been owing, in part, at least, to their ideas of that majesty and dignity, which they considered as essential attributes of their divinities, and which imply superior size and strength. To tell a lady that she was taller and stouter than most of her sex, was a great compliment: it was comparing her to a goddess. It seems, then, that Shakspeare, in the quarrel between Helena and Hermia in his Midsummer Night's Dream, has, without knowing it, made Hermia perfectly classical in her resentment, and Lysander, in his reproaches:
Her. Puppet! Why so?—Ay, that way goes the game.
Now I perceive that she hath made compare
Between our statures; she hath urged her height,
And with her personage, her tall personage,
Her height, forsooth, she hath prevail'd with him.
Her. Little again?—nothing but low and little?
Why will you suffer her to flout me thus?
Let me come to her.
Lys. Get you gone, you dwarf,
You minimus of hind'ring knot-grass made,
You bead, you acorn!
Act iii. Scene 8.

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4. mvp-aristotle-comment-57

Ritter, cap. 7 § 4

τὸ γὰρ καλόν ἐν μεγέθει καὶ τάξει ἐστί: pulchrum ( τὸ καλόν) oritur, ubi varium quoddam forma vel idea comprehenditur et in unum collectum a nobis percipitur. conf. Polit. VII, 4. p. 1326 a 32. θείας γὰρ δὴ τοῦτο δυνάμεως ἔργον, ἥτις καὶ τόδε συνέχει τὸ πᾶν, ἐπεὶ τό γε καλὸν ἐν πλήθει καὶ μεγέθει εἴωθε γίνεσθαι. de pulchri definitione ab Aristotele passim significata potius quam explicata disputavit Eduardus Müller in Historia doctrinae artis apud veteres vol. II. p. 95 sqq. ceterum structura verborum, coepta ab illis (§. 4 init.) ἔτι δ᾽ ἐπεὶ τὸ καλὸν cet., interiecta hac sententia τὸ γὰρ καλὸν ἐν μεγέθει cet. abrumpitur et demum §. 5. iterum inchoatur. quae secum comparantur haec sunt: ἔτι δ' ἐπεὶ τὸ καλὸν καὶ ζῷον καὶ ἅπαν πρᾶγμα ὃ συνέστηκεν ἔκ τίνων, οὐ μόνον ταῦτα τεταγμένα δεῖ ἔχειν, ἀλλὰ καὶ μέγεθος ὑπάρχειν μὴ τὸ τυχόν ..., οὕτω (§. 5) καὶ ἐπὶ τῶν μύθων ἔχειν μὲν μῆκος, τοῦτο δ᾽ εὐμνημόνευτον εἶναι. conf. Comment. ad c. 2, 1. ... διὸ οὔτε πάμμικρον ἄν τι γένοιτο καλόκ ζῷον .. οὔτε παμμέγεθες: hisce similia exposita legimus in Politicis VII, 4. – συγχεῖται γὰρ ἡ θεωρία κτλ. ubi contemplatio confunditur, unum illud ac varium simul percipere ideoque ipsum pulchrum agnoscere non pot- οἷον εἰ μυρίων σταδίων εἴη ζῷον: similiter sed minus ὑπερβολικῶς loquitur in Politicis VII, 4. p. 1326 a est.40. οἷον πλοῖον σπιθαμιαῖον μὲν οὐκ ἔσται πλοῖον ὅλως, οὐδὲ δυοῖν σταδίοιν. ::