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but if they are so formed, it seems most reasonable to hide the absurdity as much as possible. The improbabilities in the Odyssey, (such

Poetics. Aristotle. ed. Henry James Pye. London. 1792.

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Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 24 focus
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Far from producing a plan 1 made up of improbable incidents, he should, if possible, admit no one circumstance of that kind; or, if he does, it should be exterior to the action itself, like the ignorance of Oedipus concerning the manner in which Laius died 2 ; not within the drama, like the narrative of what happened at the Pythian games, in the Electra 3 ; or, in The Mysians, the man who travels from Tegea to Mysia without speaking 4 .
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as in the case of Œdipus not knowing how Laius died 12. For it must not be brought into the drama, like the narration of the Pythian games in the Electra 13,
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Il doit auſſi tâcher de ne rien mettre dans ſon ſujet, qui n'ait ſa raiſon, & ſi cela eſt entierement impoſſible, il faut que ce qu'il y a de des-raiſonnable ſoit hors du ſujet, comme dans l'Edipe l'ignorance où eſt ce Prince de la maniere dont Lajus a été tué. Cela ne doit pas ſe trouver dans tout ce qui paroît ſur le Theatre, & qui fait le corps de l'action comme dans l'Electre, où l'on vient annoncer la nouvelle de la mort d'Oreſte qui s'eſt tué dans les jeux Pythiques, & comme dans les Myſiens, où l'on voit un Courrier qui vient de Tegée en Myſie, ſans avoir dit une ſeule parole.
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λόγους: i. e. the μῦθοι or stories embodied in the play or poem (see on 4, 1449 a 17 ). τοὺς λόγους, which is the subject of ἔχειν in a 29, is apparently the subject of συνίστασθαι also. συνίστασθαι, though a middle in 2 (comp. 6, 1450 b 37 ), must be a passive here, as it certainly is in 26, 1462 a 16 (see on 1, 1447 a 9 ). The same rule has already appeared in a slightly different form in 15, 1454 b 6 .
27_1460a27 1460 a 27 ἔξω τοῦ μυθεύματος: see on 14, 1453 b 32.
Οἰδίπους
. The article seems to have dropped out before the name (see on 4, 1448 b 38 ). ἔχει has to be supplied from the ἔχειν in the preceding line. τὸ μὴ εἰδέναι, scil. τὸν Οἰδίπουν, just as in 16, 1455 a 19
βούλεσθαι
means βούλεσθαι τὴν Ἰφιγένειαν, the names being understood from the titles of the plays. In some instances, however ( 16, 1455 a 1, a 3, 10 ), the personages referred to are not indicated even in this indirect way. The fact of Oedipus remaining for years in ignorance of the circumstances of the death of Laius is an improbability in the O. T.; but in Aristotle's view it is not so serious a fault as it might seem, since it is all anterior to the action, and outside the play itself.
31 31 ἐν Ἠλέκτρᾳ: Sophocles El. 660 sqq. The precise fault Aristotle saw in the story is not quite clear; as the stress, however, seems to be on τὰ Πύθια, the probability is that it was the anachronism in the reference to the Pythian games; the fault is noted by the Scholiast on El. 682 (
οὔπω ἦν ἐπὶ Ὀρέστου ὁ Πυθικὸς ἀγών
: comp. Schol. on El. 47, 49), who may be assumed to be reproducing a traditional criticism. The alternative is to suppose the absurdity to consist in Clytaemnestra having to learn the news for the first time from the παιδαγωγός:
'an credibile est nullum Argivum hominem ludis interfuisse, qui spectare Orestae exitium posset; cum ex universa Graecia eo fieret concursus ?'
( Robortello).
32 32 ἐν Μυσοῖς: probably in the Μυσοί of Aeschylus ( Nauck, TGF. p. 47 ). The personage described as ἄφωνος ἐκ Τεγέας εἰς τὴν Μυσίαν ἥκων was no doubt Telephus, a favourite subject for Tragedy (comp. 13, 1453 a 21 ). His long-maintained silence, which was an element of improbability in the play, passed into a proverb in the later Comedy: Amphis fr. 30, 6 Kock
ἔκυψεν ὥσπερ Τήλεφος πρῶτον σιωπῇ καὶ δικαίως τοῦτό γε· ἅπαντες ἀνδροφόνοι γάρ εἰσιν ἑνὶ λόγῳ
.— Alexis fr. 178 Κ.
δειπνεῖ δ᾽ ἄφωνος Τήλεφος, νεύων μόνον πρὸς τοὺς ἐπερωτῶντάς τι
.
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συνίστασθαι, which seems to have the same subject as θῇ in ἂν δὲ θῇ must be a middle here (see on a 27).

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24.20 32. Il doit auſi tàcher de ne rien mettre dans ſon ſujet, qui n'ait ſa raiſon; & ſi cela est entierement impoſſible, il faut que ce qu'il y aura de déraisonnable ſoit hors du ſujet, comme dans l'Edipe l'ignorance où est ce Prince, de la manière dont Lajus a été tué.] 1

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24.20 33. Cela ne doit point se trouver dans tout ce qui paroit ſur le Theatre, & qui fait le corps de l'action comme dans l'Electre, où l'on vient annoncer la nouvelle de la mort d'Oreſte, qui s'est tué dans les jeux Pythiques.] 2

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24.20 34. Et comme dans les Myfiens, où l'on voit un Courier qui vient de Tegée en Myfie ſans avoir dit une feule parole.] 3

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HOMER ALSO WAS THE BEST INSTRUCTOR HOW TO INTRODUCE SPECIOUS FALLACIES BY MEANS OF FALSE REASONING.

HOWEVER invelloped in darkness this passage is, it must I imagine, have fome relation with that in the fixteenth chapter, [w] where a discovery by false reasoning is mentioned. I think the meaning of this passage receives also some elucidation from what has been quoted from Agatho in Chapter XVIII. [x] about probable improbability, and which is again mentioned here in a fentence which almost immediately succeeds that we are now confidering. But Aristotle has enlarged still more on this in his Rhetoric, L. 11. Ch. xxiv. As for the application of this principle of false reasoning here to poetic fiction, Mr. Twining's note gives the clearest solution of it, and I perfectly think with him, that it relates to the skill of the poet, who when he forms wonderful and uncommon characters, or incidents, makes [w] See Note v. Chap. xvI. [x] See Note VII. on that chapter. their
495. POETIC OF ARISTOTLE. their actions and effects seem so clearly the natural and probable consequences of them, that the hearer, finding them so confonant with general truth, while he yields to the delusion of the tale, (Y) can perceive no absurdity in the first fictitious caufe. This conduct of the poet is no where better exemplified than in the preternatural beings of Shakespear [z]. I do not any where remember a fabulous and marvellous invention kept up in all its relations and consequences with such minute and attentive accuracy as in Swift's Voyages to Lilliput and Brobdignag. The relative fize of the inhabitants being once mentioned, the comparative dimension of their furniture, plants, animals, &c. is adhered to with almost mathematical precision. In one of the poems prefixed to Gulliver's Travels, entitled the Tears of Glumdatditch, the reader may see this consistency as grossly violated, where in two lines Gulliver, who is said a little before to be of stature scarce a span, hunts a mite, fights a nut maggot, and carries a tea-cup on his head like a milk pail.. [Y] Of this pleasing delufion Plutarch speaks in the highest terms in his TREATISE ON THE MANNER IN WHICH YOUNG MEN OUGHT TO READ THE POETS.. " In this was every art and every charm "To win the wisest and the coldest warm." POPE'S ILIAD, L. XIV. v. 247; original 216. • The deceptions of this art cannot affect the stupid and the foolish; and therefore Simonides being asked why the Thessalians were the only people of Greece whom he could not deceive, • answered because they were too ignorant to be deceived. And Gorgias defined tragedy as a • delufion, wherein the person who deluded was juster than those who did not, and persons who, were deluded wiser than those who were not.' [z] See Chap. xv. Notes I and III.. As
As I conceive this to be what Aristotle means by probable impoffibility, fo by improbable poffibility I imagine he designs such consequences as may indeed very poffibly follow vay common causes, yet are contrary to the general probability required in poetry, as in an instance before mentioned from the Two Gentlemen of Verona (A). It is neither physically or morally impoffible for a lover who has just rescued his mistress from a ravisher, to give her up to him immediately afterwards; but our feelings revolt more at this circumstance than at all the ghosts, fairies, and witches of Shakespear. The scene between Williams the foldier and Fluellin in Henry V. shew how an absurd cause may be concealed by pleasant and natural confequences. Fluellin supposes Williams a traitor because he challenges by a blow the glove the king told him the had plucked from the helmet of Alanson. But I do not recollect any of the critics have remarked that this hoftile challenge shewed him rather an enemy than a friend. May not this be partly deemed a difcovery, made by a false reasoning of the spectators [B].

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Ritter, cap. 24 § 10

haec quoque proferuntur ad Homeri virtutem declarandam, quod magis apparebit, ubi insiticia secreta erunt. ἀδύνατα εἰκότα: sunt v. gr. illa quae paedagogus Sophocleus de Oreste in certamine Pythico interempto narrat: nam certamina Pythica nondum erant, cum aevum ageret Orestes. vid. Electr. v. 680-763. item ἀδύνατα εἰκότα illa sunt, quae Virgilius de Aenea Carthaginem delato refert: siquidem Carthago nondum erat, cum Aeneas patriam suam relinqueret. contra δυνατὰ ἀπίθανα illa sunt quae de Ulixe somno sopito et exposito in Ithacam ab Homero in Odysseae libro XIII narrantur; item talia admitteret qui Achillem occiso Patroclo amico nihilo minus irascentem Agamemnoni et a pugna abstinentem produceret. ἀλλὰ μάλιστα - Μυσίαν ἥκων: haec Aristoteles ipse non scripsit 3). nimirum ipse, dum scribit τους τε λόγους μὴ συνίστασθαι ἐκ μερῶν ἀλόγων, carminum epicorum argumenta intelligit et perapte pergit ὥστε τὸ λέγειν κτλ. sed auctor personatus hanc de argumentis epicis disputatio- 3) Idem hoc intellexit Gruppius in Ariadna p. 555 sq.nem importune interrumpens impotenter revolvitur ad tragoedias et exempla imperite et inepte prolata. primum ἀλογίας exemplum sumptum est ex Sophoclis Oedipo rege, et tota haec observatio additis nonnullis ex iis quae verus Aristoteles c. 15, 7. monuerat transcripta est. hoc excusat, ut Aristoteles ante excusaverat. sed idem homuncio in iis quae continuo ab ipso inventa sequuntur Sophoclem audet reprehendere, quod is in Electra (v. 680 sqq.) narrantem induxerit, quomodo Orestes in certamine Pythico vitam amiserit, cum ea aetate non essent Pythica certamina. itane vero hoc reprehendi potest? minime. verus Aristoteles sedulum interpolatorem veriora docere potuisset, scilicet quae de illo certamine proferuntur sunt ἀδύνατα εἰκότα, quae ab Ar. probantur. itaque personatus auctor non solum inique et absurde vituperavit summum poetam sed in ipsius Aristotelis praecepta offendit. ὁ ἄφωνος ἐκ Τεγέας εἰς τὴν Μυσίαν ἥκων: quis hic fuerit primus docte explicuit Tyrwhittus in adnotatione ad h. 1. scripta. Telephus erat, qui ob caedem cognatorum a se commissam loqui abstinuit antequam lustraretur. vid. Hygini fab. 244. Telephus Herculis filius (occidit) Hippothoum et Nerea aviae suae filios. Athenaeus VI. p. 224 E. X. p. 421 D. Tzetzes ad Lycophr. 206. Stephan. Byzant. s. v. Οἶος. tragoediam Μυσούς et Aeschylus et Sophocles docuerunt, et nonnulla utriusque fragmenta exstant. Aeschylia hic intelligi videtur, quamvis proxime duae Sophoclis fabulae commemoratae sint. Telephus intra fabulam talis qualem significat interpolator ostendi poterat, ut primum spectatoribus Tegeae versatus, deinde in Mysiam profectus repraesentaretur. duo alia restant indicia quibus haec pro falsis convincantur. primum est articuli omissio ( ἐν Ἠλέκτρᾳ, ἐν Μυσοῖς) grammaticorum propria, ab Aristotelis scribendi consuetudine aliena. conf. nota ad c. 23, 4. alterum indicium est quod haec ex parte c. 25, 17. repetuntur. interpolator enim opes suas adeo amavit, ut eas bis propinare ac venditare gestiret. ἂν δὲ θῇ: subintelligendum τὸ ἄτοπον ὁ ποιητής. ἐπεὶ καὶ τὰ ἐν Ὀδυσσείᾳ ἄλογα – ἡδύνων τὸ ἄτοπον: significat Odysseae N. 70-125, in hisce prudentissimi viri integrum iudicium quaeso agnoscas, articulus ante Ὀδυσσείᾳ hic recte abest: non enim indicare voluit quaecumque ἄλογα inessent Odysseae, sed singularia illa ad expositionem Ulixis pertinentia.