Aristotle Poetics 18.13

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By an epic form I mean one containing many fables; as if the whole Iliad were to be comprized in one tragedy.

Poetics. Aristotle. ed. Henry James Pye. London. 1792.

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The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) (English) (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.)

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Editions (4)
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 18 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 18 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 18 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Franz Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's 1839 Greek edition, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 18 focus
Translations (13)
Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 18 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 18 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 18 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 18 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 18.13 focus
We must also be attentive to what has been often mentioned 1 , and not construct a Tragedy upon an Epic plan. By an Epic plan, I mean, a fable composed of many fables 2 ; as if any one, for instance, should take the entire fable of the ILIAD for the subject of a Tragedy.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) Experimental (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 18.13 focus
and in simple actions, those poets admirably effect their aim. For this is tragical,
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 18 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 18.13 focus
Sur toutes choſes, il faut bien ſe ſouvenir, comme on l'a déja dit ſouvent, de ne pas faire de la Tragedie un Tiſſu Epique. J'appelle Tiſſu Epique, un Tiſſu de pluſieurs fables, comme ſi quelqu'un mettoit toute l'Iliade dans une ſeule Tragedie.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 18 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 18 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 18 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition) (OCR draft) Experimental (The Arabic translation attributed to Abū Bishr Mattā, edited by Jaroslaus Tkatsch in 1928 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 18 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition, unaligned) (OCR draft) Experimental (Tkatsch's edition of the medieval Arabic translation in its original, unaligned segmentation.) — 18 focus

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

13. mvp-aristotle-comment-668

χρὴ δὲ κτέ. The sixth of Aristotle's supplementary rules.

13. mvp-aristotle-comment-669

εἴρηται πολλάκις. Though some hint of this may perhaps be discerned in 5, 1449 b12 and 17, 1455 b15 , the reference here is clearly one of Aristotle's oversights (see on 18, 1455 b32 ); it is not true that he has more than once laid down the rule μὴ ποιεῖν ἐποποιικὸν σύστημα τραγῳδίαν. πολλάκις, 'more than once', is the opposite of ἅπαξ (comp. Meteor. 2. 3, 356 b27 ) as well as of ὀλιγάκις, just as πολλά is the opposite of ἕν as well as of ὀλίγα ( Metaph. I 6, 1056 b23 ).

13. mvp-aristotle-comment-670

μεμνῆσθαι καὶ μὴ ποιεῖν. For the conjunction Vahlen quotes Eth. N.1. 7, 1098 a26
μεμνήσθαι δὲ καὶ τῶν προειρημένων χρὴ καὶ τὴν ἀκρίβειαν μὴ ὁμοίως ἐν ἅπασιν ἐπιζητεῖν
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13. mvp-aristotle-comment-671

σύστημα, scil. πραγμάτων. The μῦθος or story has been repeatedly described as a σύστασις πραγμάτων (v. 6, 1450 a15, 32, b 32, etc. ).

13. mvp-aristotle-comment-672

ἐποποιικὸν δὲ λέγω τὸ πολύμυθον, scil. σύστημα. The common punctuation (with a full stop before, and a comma after it) makes this clause the beginning of a new sentence. It is clear, I think, that it is a parenthesis, and that the illustration οἷον εἴ τις κτέ. (comp. 26, 1462 b2 ) refers back to the principal statement, μὴ ποιεῖν ἐποποιικὸν σύστημα τραγῳδίαν in a 11 . For other illustrations at some distance from the statements to which they relate see on 7, 1451 a2 .
1456a12

13. mvp-aristotle-comment-673

1456a πολύμυθον. The assumption here is that the story in the Iliad is a πολύμυθον σύστημα, one with a plurality of stories in it (comp. 24, 1462 b 8 ). It is not easy to reconcile this with what we are told in a later chapter ( 23, 1459 a30 ) where the unity of story in the Iliad is emphasized.

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

16. mvp-aristotle-comment-441

18.13 16. Sur toutes things, il faut ſe ſouvenir, comme on l'a déja dit ſouvent, de ne pas faire de la Tragedie un Tiſſu Epique, j'appelle Tiſſu Epique, un Tiſſu de plusieurs fables, comme fi quelqu'un mettoit toute l'Iliade dans une ſeule Tragedie.] 1

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

4. mvp-aristotle-comment-126

Ritter, cap. 18 § 4

χρὴ δὲ - τραγῳδίαν: nunc demum revertimur ad verum Aristotelem. quam bene sequentia cum fine capitis 17. cohaereant, et unusquisque videt et a nobis paulo ante explicatum est. quod saepius dictum esse pronuntiat, respicit c. 5, 4. 7,5-7. 17,5. alii loci quibus idem monebatur fortasse interciderunt. epopoeiae unitas latioribus finibus circumscripta est, eaque cum multa episodia admittat, complexum mythorum proponere potest. itaque epicum carmen multis mythis ( πολύμυθον) distinctum apparet. trilogiae compositionem significari per ἐποποιικὸν sive πολύμυθον σύστημα existimavit Welckerus in Trilog. Aeschyl. p. 349. 444. 531. 601. et in Museo Rhenano philolog. V. p. 490. sed in verbis quae hic legimus nihil inest, unde illam sententiam probemus. nimirum hoc commendatur poetae tragico, ne mythicae materiae nimium uni tragoediae subiicere velit. conf. Commentar. in c. 7, 3. p. 145. ἐκεῖ μὲν τὸ πρέπον μέγεθος: quae h. 1. μέρη vocantur episodia sunt, quae quamvis ampla tamen propter epici carminis ambitum ( διὰ τὸ μῆκος) iustos fines non facile excedunt.