Aristotle Poetics 17.2

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The necessity of this is proved by the disgrace that happened to Carcinus. The absurdity of Amphiaraus going out of the temple unperceived from not seeing the dramatic effect, did not strike him;

Poetics. Aristotle. ed. Henry James Pye. London. 1792.

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The fault objected to Carcinus is a proof of this. Amphiaraus had left the temple: this, the Poet, for want of conceiving the action to pass before his eyes, overlooked 1 ; but in the representation, the audience were disgusted, and the piece condemned.
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An evidence of this is the fault with which Carcinus is reproached. For Amphiaraus had left the temple, which was concealed from the spectator, who did not perceive it, and the piece was driven from the stage in consequence of the indignation of the spectators.
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 17 focus
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Une marque certaine de l'importance & de la neceſſité de ce précepte, c'eſt le reproche qu'on fait à Carcinus. Ce Poëte dans le plan de ſon ſujet, faiſoit ſortir Amphiaraus du Temple ſans qu'on le vît, & il ne prit pas garde à ce défaut, parce qu'il n'avoit pas fait paſſer le tout devant ſes yeux; mais quand la piece fut portée ſur le Theatre, elle tomba, les ſpectateurs ne pouvant ſouffrir qu'on leur voulût perſuader qu'Amphiaraus étoit ſorti veritablement lorſqu'ils n'en avoient rien vû.
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Commentary

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2. mvp-aristotle-comment-604

Καρκίνῳ. The play referred to is assumed on the strength of this statement to have been entitled the Amphiaraus. Nothing more is known of it than what Aristotle here tells us, that the incongruity of a certain incident in it was observed and resented by the audience.

2. mvp-aristotle-comment-605

a27 ἐξ ἱεροῦ ἀνῄει:
'e templo exibat'
( Paccius),
'e fano exiit'
( Victorius),
'e templo ascenderat'
( Tyrwhitt),
'had left the temple'
( Twining),
'ex delubro redibat'
( Ritter),
'was on his way from the temple'
( Butcher),
'hatte das Heiligtum bereits verlassen'
( Gomperz).

2. mvp-aristotle-comment-606

μὴ ὁρῶντ᾽ ἂν τὸν θεατὴν κτέ. The sense is: If the incident had not been visibly before them, as part of the action of the piece ( τὰ πραττόμενα), the incongruity would not have been noticed by the audience ( τὸν θεατήν: see on 26, 1461 b 28 ); but they could not help observing it when actually put before their eyes on the stage. To guard against this kind of mistake, therefore, the poet should in his mind's eye see his various incidents beforehand, so as to anticipate the impression they will make in the theatre. In the same way we are told in another place ( 24, 1460 a 15 ) that the absurdity in the Pursuit of Hector in the Iliad would be observed on the stage, though it passes unnoticed in the poem.

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2. mvp-aristotle-comment-414

17.2 C'est le reproche qu'on fait à Carcinus. Ce Poëte dans le plan de ſon ſujet, faiſoit ſortir Amphiaraüs du Temple ſans qu'on le vit, & il ne prit pas garde à ce défaut, parce qu'il n'avoit pas fait paſſer le tout devant ſes yeux.] 1

3. mvp-aristotle-comment-415

17.2 Mais quand la piece fut portée ſur le Theatre, elle tomba, les ſpectateurs ne pouvant ſouffrir qu'on leur voulût perſuader qu'Amphiaraüs étoit ſorti veritablement, lorſqu'ils n'en a-voient rien vû.] 2

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135. mvp-aristotle-comment-135

NOTE 135. P. 98.

17.2 THIS, THE POET, &c.
Ὁ μη ὁρωντα τον θεατην ἐλανθανεν
. — Dacier has, at least, I think, satisfactorily proved, that this passage wants some emendation, and that the sense must be — "escaped the Poet, (not the spectator,) for want of his seeing, or conceiving himself to see, the action." He might have added to his other reasons, that the word
λανθανει
, applied just before to the Poet, seems to fix the same application of
ἐλανθανε
here. The opposition, as he has observed, is strongly marked: — it escaped the Poet;
ἐπι ΔΕ της ΣΚΗΝΗΣ
, &c. but upon the stage, &c. Castelvetro had seen this before Dacier, and conjectured,
ὁ μη, ὁρωντα, ΩΣ τον θεατην, ἐλανθανεν ΑΝ
.
"La qual contrarietà non sarebbe potuto essere celata a Carcino, se avesse riguardata la sua Tragedia non come Poeta, ma come veditore."
1 The ingenuity of the conjecture may be allowed; not so, I fear, the accuracy of the Greek.

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17.2. mvp-aristotle-comment-65 17.2

THOSE WHO ARE MOVED BY PASSIONS THEMSELVES WILL EX- PRESS THOSE PASSIONS MOST FORCIBLY FROM THEIR OWN FEELINGS. HENCE HE WHO IS REALLY AGITATED, STORMS, AND HE WHO IS REALLY ANGRY UPBRAIDS MOST TRULY AND NATURALLY.

IT is surprising that this sense of the last sentence of the quotation which is the obvious and literal tranflation of the Greek, and exactly an ill ustration of the precept and observation it follows, and with which the fucceeding comparison so exactly agrees, should have had a different meaning given it by all the tranflators and commentators before Mr. Twining; who indeed has not himself admitted it in the body of his tranflation, though he has compleatly established it in a note (138), to which the reader who entertains any doubt on the matter, is referred for conviction. The general sense hitherto given has been the neceffity the poet has of feeling himself, who wishes to affect the feelings of others, and indeed this is the ultimate meaning of the precept, and therefore it is virtually though not literally of the fame weight with the observation of Horace. [F] • To make me grieve be first your anguish shewn.' COLMAN, V. 154. [F]
Si vis me flere dolendum est • Primum ipfi tibi.'- HOR. ART. POET. V. 102. 3 A 2 But
But Aristotle is not contented with saying what ought to be the final effect on the spectator or reader, he is telling us how to produce the cause of that effect, which is the natural expression of the passion by the poet, and which can only be done by his entering himself into the feelings of those he represents. By doing this, he says, he will certainly find the proper means of expreffing those feelings; for who can fo well utter the language of any paffion as he who is at the time under the actual influence of it; having said this he pursues it no further, it being obvious that the best and most natural expression of paffion will awake the strongest sympathy in the mind of the spectator. It is very apparent that the fame precept is applicable to the actor. In vain may the poet paint the passions naturally, if the player does not exhibit the picture to advantage in the representation; and to do this well, his imagination should be as fufceptible as that of the poet. I have: already mentioned a fingular anecdote from Hill's Actor in confirmation of this [G]. The ancient actors could not have the fame powers of enforcing the sentiments of the poet from their theatrical dress, or rather disguise. Yet even their natural feelings were of great effect in assisting the truth of their representation. There is a remarkable instance of this kind related by Aulus Gellius. There was a celebrated Grecian actor who • excelled all others in his action and the elegance and clearness of his voice. His name was Polus. He performed the tragedies of the * best poets with propriety and confidence. This Polus lost an only fon ← whom he greatly loved. However when his grief was abated he re- [G] See Note Iv. Chap. XIII. turned,
POETIC OF ARISTOTLE. ' turned to the exercise of his art. At this time being to play the part • of Electra in the tragedy of Sophocles, at Athens, he was to carry an urn which was supposed to contain the ashes of Orestes. For according to the subject of the play, Electra supposing herself to carry the remains of her brother, deplores and laments his death as believing ' him to have been murdered. Polus there, dressed in the mournful • habit of Electra, carried the urn and ashes of his fon taken from the ، sepulchre, and embracing them, as if they were those of Oreftes, ful- • filled every requisite of his part, not with fictitious and imitative representation, but with true grief and serious lamentation; and while • he seemed to be only assuming a fabulous character, was fincerely • affected by real forrow.' Much has been faid of the power of the pencil in expreffing at the fame time various and even opposite passions. This one of the best judges of the subject, Sir Joshua Reynolds, has pronounced impoffible; all that painting can do, which is confined to an instant, is to express the succession of paffion by the effect of a consequence of the former paffion, as a tear stealing down a countenance beginning to smile, as Andromache [н]
• Mingled with her smile a tender tear.' POPE. Can an actor do more ? or as much as we talk of being torn by contending paffions, are we ever at the fame instant actually occupied by two of a different tendency, though the tranfition may be so sudden as not to be easily perceptible? [Η] Δακρυόεν γελάσασα.. Hill
Hill in his Actor says, • Had I the power I would make a fingle tear steal down the unaltered face of Cato while he speaks the famous line, " Thanks to the gods, my boy has done his duty."
Though at the expence of striking out the fucceeding observation,
" Rome fills his eyes "With tears that flow'd not o'er his own dead fon."

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1. mvp-aristotle-comment-118

Ritter, cap. 17 § 1

Qui tragoediam facere adgreditur, rem ad scribendum delectam ante oculos suos explicare et habitum personarum agentium corpore suo exprimere debet. in co negotio multum se iuvari sentiet, si primum generatim fabulam delineaverit, tum nominibus impositis eam amplificaverit episodiisque distinxerit. Praecepta a poeta tragico in argumentis constituendis et in moribus exprimendis observanda postquam exposuit, addit nonnulla unde idem ille condiscat, qua cautione et quibus exercitationibus adhibitis eo pervenire possit, ut argumenta moresque apte conformata exhibeat. eadem haec disputatio sub finem c. 18. continuatur: initium enim ab aliena manu sinistre additum est. ceterum quae utroque capite explicantur, exceptis illis ab interpolatore admixtis, ex disputatione ampliore et luculenta in breviorem a technico contracta videntur esse. δεῖ δὲ τοὺς μύθους- σχήμασι συναπεργαζόμενον: duas res philosophus ei qui tragoediam scripturus est commendat, ut in ipsis rebus a se pertractandis versetur, ut porro personarum agentium vultus et gestus suo corpore inter scribendum exprimat. ad δεῖ συνιστάναι intellectu supplere debemus τὸν συνίσταντα, h. e. tragicum poetam. τοὺς μύθους intellige fabulas a fama suppeditatas, non argumenta tragoediarum in universum. conf. adnotatio ad §. 3. ὅτι μάλιστα πρὸ τῶν ὀμμάτων τιθέμε vov: poeta inter ipsas res versari easque sibi ob oculos ponere debet. in hoc praeceptum quomodo peccari possit, exemplo illo statim ex Carcini Amphiarao allato in parenthesi docetur, quo facto alterum illud praeceptum, ὅσα δὲ δυνατόν, καὶ τοῖς σχήμασι συναπεργαζόμενον, subsequitur. aliud est πρὸ ὀμμάτων λέγειν (anschaulich reden) vel ποιεῖν deeo qui dicit vel scribit, quode explicatum est in Rhetoricis III, 11. ὁ γὰρ ᾿Αμφιάραος - ἐξέπεσε : festive sibi respondent haec, Αμφιάραος ἐξ ἱεροῦ ἀνῄει atque ἐπὶ δὲ τῆς σκηνῆς ἐξέπεσε. scilicet Carcinus ὁ τραγικός Amphiaraum ex templo redeuntem fecit, idemque hunc egressum spectatoribus non cognitum deinceps ita respexit, ut tragoedia obscura fieret ideoque non placeret. festivum in locutione illud est, quod ἐξέπεσε, verbum de fabulis exactis dici solitum, ad ipsam Amphiarai personam transfertur, quodque qui de templo egressus erat, in scena non stetisse dicitur. de illo verbi ἐκπίπτειν significatu dixit Hemsterhusius ad Luciani Nigrin. c. 8. Dissenius ad Demosthenem de Corona p. 416. (p. 265 R.) ὅσα δὲ δυνατόν, καὶ τοῖς σχήμασι συναπερ - γαζόμενον: hoc alterum praeceptum mores potissimum spectat, prius argumenti conformationem. iam enim poetae suadet, ut is, dum sive iratos sive quocumque alio modo affectos pingit, ipse iratorum vel alio affectu commotorum vultus et gestus ( σχήματα) imitetur, quo verius eos affectus verbis exprimere possit ipse ira sive odio incitatus vel quomodocumque commotus. scilicet qui vultum irati vel aversantis vel aliter commoti adhibet, is sese sponte subirasci aversarique sentit, idemque in ceteris affectibus usu venire solet. vid. Aristotel. Physiognom. c. 4. p. 808 b 12. ἡ τῆς ψυχῆς ἕξις ἀλλοιουμένη συναλλοιοῦ τοῦ σώματος μορφήν, πάλιν τε ἡ τοῦ σώματος μορφὴ ἀλλοιουμένη συναλλοιοῖ τὴν τῆς ψυχῆς ἕξιν. conf. quae disputavit Wüllnerus meus in libro bonae frugis plenissimo Ueber die Verwandtschaft des Indogermanischen, Semitischen und Tibetanischen cet. §. 3. non bene interpretes nonnulli de figuris ab histrionibus in scena exprimendis cogitaverunt: eae enim histrionum sunt, non poetarum; neque hoc loco agendae tragoediae sed perscribendae praecepta traduntur. quod ad structuram verborum attinet, haec ὅσα δὲ δυνατόν, καὶ τοῖς σχήμασι συναπεργαζόμενον respondent superioribus illis ὅτι μάλιστα πρὸ ὀμμάτων τιθέμενον. media igitur παρενθετικῶς prolata sunt.