Aristotle Poetics 1.10

ed. Henry James Pye

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Men, indeed, affixing the idea of poetry to versification, are accustomed to call some elegiac poets and others epic poets, not distinguishing them by the nature of the imitation but from the structure of the verse; for even if a treatise on the arts of medicine or music is composed in verse, they are used to give the appellation of Poet to the author;

Poetics. Aristotle. ed. Henry James Pye. London. 1792.

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 1 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 1 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 1 focus
Poetics, Greek text (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's Greek text from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 1 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Franz Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's 1839 Greek edition, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 1 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 1 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 1 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 1 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 1 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 1.10 focus
Custom, indeed, connecting the poetry or making with the metre, has denominated some Elegiac Poets, i. e. makers 1 of elegiac verse; others, Epic Poets; i. e. makers of hexameter verse; thus distinguishing the Poets, not according to the nature of their imitation, but according to that of their metre only.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) Experimental (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 1.10 focus
except that men joining with metre the verb to make8, call some of these makers of elegies, but others epic makers, not as poets according to imi- 1 2 3 4 tation, but denominating them in common according to measure. For they are accustomed thus to denominate them, if they write any thing medical or musical in verse. 5
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 1 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 1.10 focus
Il eſt vray que les hommes diſtinguent ordinairement les Poëtes par la ſeule différence de leurs vers, en appellant les uns Poëtes Elegiaques, & les autres Poëtes Epiques ou Heroïques, ſans avoir aucun égard à la nature de leur imitation; juſques-là même qu'ils donneront le nom de Poëte Epique ou Heroïque à celuy qui traitera de la Phyſique ou de la Medecine en vers hexamètres.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 1 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 1 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 1 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition) (OCR draft) Experimental (The Arabic translation attributed to Abū Bishr Mattā, edited by Jaroslaus Tkatsch in 1928 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 1 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition, unaligned) (OCR draft) Experimental (Tkatsch's edition of the medieval Arabic translation in its original, unaligned segmentation.) — 1 focus

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-39

ἐλεγειοποιοὺς τοὺς δὲ ἐποποιοὺς There is no need to understand, still less insert, τοὺς μὲν before ἐλεγειοποιούς (v. Kühner, Gr. Gr. 2. 2 p. 265 ); comp. the instances cited by Vahlen (ad loc.); to which may be added Soph. el. 21, 178 a 3 , Metaph. Δ 28, 1024 a 33 .

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-40

οὐχ ὡς κατὰ τὴν μίμησιν = ὡς οὐ κατὰ τὴν μίμησιν. For the position of the negative comp. Plato Phaed. 77 E
ὡς δεδιότων... πειρῶ ἀναπείθειν, μᾶλλον δὲ μὴ ὡς ἡμῶν δεδιότων, ἀλλ᾽ ἴσως ἔνι τις καὶ ἐν ἡμῖν παῖς, ὅστις τὰ τοιαῦτα φοβεῖται
.
1447b18

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

30. mvp-aristotle-comment-30

1.10 Il est vray que les hommes diſtinguent ordinairement les Poëtes par la seule difference de leurs vers. 1

31. mvp-aristotle-comment-31

1.10 Juſques-là même qu'ils donneront le nom de Poëte épique ou heroïque à celuy qui traitera de la Medecine où de la Phyſique en vers hexametres. 2

Commentary on the Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) (Thomas Twining's notes on Aristotle's Poetics, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-7

NOTE 7.

1.10 P. 3. CONNECTING THE POETRY, OR MAKING, WITH THE METRE.
Συναπτοντες τῳ μετρῳ το ποιειν.
—Not,
"on applique au vers seul l'idée qu'on a de la Poesie,"
as M. Batteux renders it, but, as it is translated by Piccolomini , with his usual exactness—
"congiugnendo il verbo, Ποιειν, [Poiein, cio é fare,] con la qualità del metro."
I understand Aristotle's expression to mean, not the connection of the general idea of Poetry with that of Verse, though this indeed be implied; but, the junction of the word,
ποιειν
, with the name of some particular metre, in the compound words,
Ελεγειοποιοι
,
Εποποιοι
, and the like.

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-7

Ritter, cap. 1 § 7

οὐδὲν γὰρ ἂν ἔχοιμεν κτλ. excusatur nova ἐποποιίας significatio huic nomini modo concessa: non enim communi nomine comprehendere possemus Sophronis Xenarchique mimos et Socraticos sermones, omnemque imitationem quae peragitur iis poesis generibus quibus neque concentus neque saltatio adiuncta est. concentu et saltatione caret poesis elegiaca et iambica, ac propterea hae species commemorantur illis εἴ τις διὰ τριμέτρων ἢ ἐλεγείων ποιοῖτο τὴν μίμησιν. enuntiatio condicionalis mente supplenda talis fuerit, nisi hoc nomen ( ἐποποιία) novo intellectu ponere- De Sophrone Euripidis aequali mimisque ab ipso filioque Xenarcho Dorica Siculorum dialecto scriptis cum diligentissime a Valckenario ad Theocriti Adoniazusas p. 188 sqq. expositum sit, ego de eodem argumento pauca quaedam, mus.quae ad hunc Aristotelis locum recte intelligendum et a vanis dubitationibus vindicandum faciant, libasse contentus ero. mimi illi morum notationes fuere ac descriptiones hominum quos offert vita vulgaris magna cum accuratione expressae. prosa oratione compositos fuisse non solum Suidas (s. v. Σώφρων) atque cius pedisequa Eudocia testatur, sed idem liquet ex hoc quem tractamus loco ac praecipue ex alio, quem Athenaeus ex Aristotelis περὶ Ποιητῶν opere nobis perdito protulit XI. ρ. 505 C. οὐκοῦν οὐδὲ 3) ἐμμέτρους τοὺς καλουμένους Σώφρονος μίμους μὴ φῶμεν εἶναι λόγους καὶ μιμήσεις ἢ τοὺς ᾿Αλεξαμενοῦ τοῦ Τηΐου τοὺς πρώτους γραφέντας τῶν Σωκρατικῶν διαλόγων, h. e. itaque ne metricos quidem (qui ne numeris quidem adstricti sunt) Sophronis quos vocant mimos, eos ne dicamus esse sermones et imitationes (sermones imitativos), vel quos Alexamenus Teius primus scripsit Socraticos dialogos. Aristoteles hisce verbis falsam quandam aliorum sententiam coarguit: ipse enim non negaturus erat Sophronis mimos esse λόγους καὶ μιμήσεις, h. e. λόγους μιμητικούς. mirum Tyrwhitti errorem (ille Sophronem metris usum esse sibi Buhlioque persuasit) Hermannus confutavit, idemque apte monuit, ne hunc Xenarchum Sophronis Syracusii filium confundamus cum Xenarcho Attico mediae comoediae poeta, de quo nostra memoria breviter disputavit vir egregie doctus, Meinekius in Quaestionum scen. specim. III. p. 61. Socraticos sermones ( Σωκρ. λόγους) eos esse quos primus Alexamenus Teius Socratis disputandi morem secutus edidit, post Tyrwhittum credidit Hermannus : sed nihil est causae cur hic obscurum illum scriptorem potius quam illustrissimum imitationis exemplar, Platonem dico, in primis significari credamus, quamquam neque Alexamenus excluditur nec si quis alius Socraticos sermones ita conscripsit ut simul τὸ μιμητικὸν consectaretur. prope abest a vero Augustus Matthiae in diurnis Ienens. a. 1805. n. 223. 3) Οὐδὲ hoc loco est ne quidem, ut in Poetica c. 8 extr. οὐδὲ μόριον τοῦ ὅλου ἐστίν. πλὴν οἱ ἄνθρωποί γε κτλ, communem loquendi usum in nomine ἐποποιίας recedere a suo concedens ab illo metrum spectari monet, non rei veritatem. ἐλεγειοποιούς τοὺς δὲ ἐποποιοὺς ὀνομάζουσιν : haec nomina composita ita accepit quam si posuisset ἐλεγείων (distichorum) ποιητὰς atque ἐπῶν (hexametrorum) ποιητάς 4). per ἐλεγεῖα et ἔπη quamvis et versuum species et ipsa carmina significentur, hoc tamen loco nonnisi prior significatio obtinet. de hac ἐλεγείων potestate cum nemo dubitare possit, propter alterum illud nomen ( έπη) satis sit provocasse ad Rhetorica III, 16. p. 1417 a 14. παράδειγμα ὁ ᾿Αλκίνου ἀπόλογος, ὅτι πρὸς τὴν Πηνελόπην ἐν ἑξήκοντα ἔπεσι (sexaginta hexametris) πεποίηται. conf. Pseudo - Aristoteles in Poetica ε. 26, 5. εἴ τις τὸν Οἰδίπουν θείη τὸν Σοφοκλέους ἐν ἔπεσιν ὅσοις ἡ Ἰλιάς. Sine iusta causa editores fere omnes (non Bekkerus) codicibus adversantibus legunt τοὺς μὲν ἐλεγειοποιοὺς τοὺς δὲ ἐποποιοὺς ὀν.,. ut sententia evadat haec, poetarum genus unis verbis imitantium aut ἐλεγειοποιούς aut ἐποποιοὺς vocari: sed id non verum est, cum etiam ἰαμβοποιοὶ nonnisi verbis imitentur. itaque ex pluribus nominibus duo ponuntur. οὐχ ὡς τοὺς κατὰ μίμησιν ποιητάς-προσα χορεύοντες: Tyrwhitto iudice articulus τοὺς elegantius abesset, sed is elegantiae loci neque addere quidquam potest neque detrahere. Hermannus scripsit οὐχ ὡς κατὰ τὴν μίμησιν π., aliis alia excogitantibus. nimirum vulgo interpretantur poetas non tam propter imitationem sed communiter propter metrum appellantes. ac sane articulus expungendus foret, si ea esset loci sententia. sed quod codices offerunt, bonam id sententiam facilemque structuram praebet, dummodo intelligamus τοὺς pertinere quidem ad ποιητάς, sed 4) Simile illud est in c. 4, 10. οἱ μὲν ἀντὶ τῶν ἰάμβων κωμωδοποιοὶ (h. e. κωμῳδιῶν ποιηταί) ἐγένοντο, κτλ. conf. quae monita sunt ad illum locum.hoc ipsum nomen tamquam bis positum accipiendum esse, ut plenius scripserit Aristoteles οὐχ ὡς τοὺς κατὰ μίμησιν ποιητὰς “ ποιητὰς” προσαγορεύοντες. secundum imitationem poetae ( οἱ κατὰ μίμησιν ποιηταί') illi sunt qui suo iure poetae nomine ornantur sive qui re vera poetae sunt, homines igitur non eos qui imitantur secundum id ipsum poetas appellant, sed qui eodem metro utuntur, eos communi nomine vocare solent,