Aristotle Poetics 15.4

Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator)

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In the second place, the manners must be adapted to the persons. For there are manners which are characterized by fortitude, but it is not suited to a woman to be either brave or terrible. 1 In the third place, the manners must be similar.

Poetics. Aristotle. Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator). London. 1857.

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 15 focus
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The second requisite of the manners, is propriety. There is a manly character of bravery and fierceness, which cannot, with propriety, be given to a woman.
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The next requisite is being characteristic; for there is a character of courage and fierceness adapted to men which would be very improper in a woman. The third essential is likeness (A). There is a distinction between this
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La ſeconde choſe qu'il y a à obſerver dans les mœurs, c'eſt qu'elles ſoient convenables. La vaillance eſt une vertu morale; mais elle ne convient point à une femme qui ne doit être ni vaillante ni hardie.
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Poetics

1. 3. similar,

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τὸ ἁρμόττοντα, scil. τὰ ἤθη ποιῆσαι (see on a 24 τρίτον τὸ ὅμοιον ). In the individual character there must be nothing at variance with that of the class to which the individual belongs; in a woman, for instance, there should be nothing 'unwomanly'. The opposite of ἁρμόττον in 30 is ἀπρεπὲς καὶ μὴ ἁρμόττον. This same use of the term is occasionally found in later criticism, e. g. in Schol. Soph. El. 126
τὸ ῾εἴ μοι θέμις τάδ᾽ αὐδᾶν᾿ λίαν ἠθικὸν καὶ ἁρμόζον γυναιξίν
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a 23 γυναικείῳ, scil. ἤθει; comp. Plato Laws 790 C γυναικεῖά τε καὶ δούλεια ἤθη. ἦθος in this connexion practically means a 'character', i. e. one of the personages, just as it does again further on in 24, 1460 a 11 . An approximation to this sense is found in Plato, who uses the word now and then for a man or other creature possessing character: Phaed. 81 E ἐνδοῦνται δέ [scil. αἱ ψυχαί], ὥσπερ εἰκός, εἰς τοιαῦτα ἤθη, ὁποῖ᾽ ἄττ᾿ ἂν καὶ μεμελετηκυῖαι τύχωσιν ἐν τῷ βίῳ, οἷον τοὺς μὲν γαστριμαργίας... μεμελετηκότας... εἰς τὰ τῶν ὄνων γένη καὶ τῶν τοιούτων θηρίων εἰκὸς ἐνδύεσθαι [v. Stallb. ad loc.]. — Rep. 6, 496 A γενναῖον καὶ εὖ τεθραμμένον ἦθος. — 503 C τὰ βέβαια ταῦτα ἤθη (comp. Festschrift Th. Gomperz dargebracht p. 165).

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ἀνδρείαν. On the ἀνδρεία of women see Pol. 1. 13, 1260 a 22 and 3. 4, 1277 b 21 . In the present passage, however., Aristotle finds a certain incongruity in the idea of an ἀνδρεία γυνή, as though the affinity of ἀνδρεῖος with ἄνδρες were still felt.

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24 δεινὴν has been rightly explained by Günther ( Grundzüge der trag. Kunst p. 280) as meaning 'clever', i. e. 'clever in speech and argument' ('tüchtig im Reden', 'beredt') a quality which according to Greek notions was quite out of place in a woman ( Pol. 1. 13, 1260 a 30 ; 3. 4, 1277 b 23 ). That this rather than 'terrible' is the meaning of δεινὴν here is shown by the illustration in 31,
ἡ τῆς Μελανίππης ῥῆσις
, where the reference is to the δεινότης or 'rhetorical cleverness' of the speech put into the mouth of Melanippe by Euripides.

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15.4 La ſeconde qu'elles ſoient convenables.] 1

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15.4 La vaillance eſt une vertu morale ; mais elle ne convient point à une femme.] 2

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- THE THIRD ESSENTIAL IS LIKENESS. THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THIS AND WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED ABOUT THEIR BEING GOOD AND CHARACTERISTIC.

THESE words obviously imply that though there is a diftinction between them they are liable to be confounded, which is exactly the case with being like and characteristic. But there feems to be almost a direct opposition between likeness and goodness. • For,' as is very juftly remarked by Mr. Twining, 'there was more danger of a reader's thinking the ὅμοιον too different from the χρησὸν, and as a general precept incompatible with it.' I can find no other way of solving this difficulty than by the common effort of unsuccessful and bold commentators alteration of the text, and leaving out the word χρηςόν as supposing it added by a transcriber in conformity to ὥσπερ ἕιρηται, as both goodness and propriety have just been mentioned. ، The difference between propriety and likeness consists merely in this, that the one relates to what is becoming and natural in a person of such an age, sex, or profeffion; the other, to what is appropriated to any particular character, from history or tradition. Mr. Twining illustrates this by the example of Medea, ' where the violence and fierceness which form her ⚫ traditional character, and therefore the likeness of the poet's picture may be said to be proper, or suitable with respect to the individual, • though improper and unfuitable to the general character of the fex.' Mr.
POETIC OF ARISTOTLE. Mr. Mason, as he has drawn his Elfrida, whose historical character is one of the worst in the annals of human kind, has preferred general propriety of character to individual resemblance. This subject is discussed at large by M. Leffing, in a criticism on a comedy called SOLYMAN THE SECOND [G], taken from one of Marmontel's tales, from which I shall make a confiderable extract, as it in many places applies strongly to the Elfrida of Mr. Mason, and without design, and confequently without partiality, urges what may be faid on both fides as to such a delineation of an historical character. M. Leffing first quotes the following extract from the JOURNAL ENCYCLOPEDIQUE for January, 1762, page 79. “ “ Solyman," say they,' was one of the greatest princes of his age. His victories, his talents, his virtues, rendered him an object " of veneration even to the enemies he triumphed over. But this hero " so sensible to glory was not insensible to love; though delicate in his " “ pleasures, he felt amid the corruption of a seraglio, that pleasure unaccompanied by sentiment is contemptible. He imagined he had " found this in Roxelana, a young Italian captive, not perhaps inca- “ pable of tenderness but nevertheless artful and ambitious, and skilled " in the means of making her pleasures the fource of her elevation. “ By feigning sensibility herself, she induced Solyman who really felt it, to violate a law of the empire which forbad the sultan to marry. [G] Dramaturgie, Part II. page 70, & feq. We have a very pleasing after-piece on the same subject, in which the character of Roxelana has received additional interest from the powers of Mrs. Abingdon and Mrs. Jordan. " She
" She afcended the throne with him, an ambition in itself pardonable, " if she had not employed her afcendancy over her lover to force him to " fully his glory by the sacrifice of an innocent fon. This woman M. "Marmontel has chofen for the heroine of one of his tales. But how he " has changed her! Instead of Italian he has made her French. Instead " of an artful woman affecting sensibility he has made her the coquet " of a Parifian circle; and instead of a foul overwhelmed by ambition, “ “ “ " " and capable of the boldest and most atrocious actions to fatisfy it, he has given her an undesigning head and an excellent heart. Are fuch changes allowable? Can a poet or a novellist extend the license, whatever it may be, that is given him, to known characters ? Though permitted to change facts, has he a right to paint Lucretia as a coquet, and Socrates as a fine gentleman ?" To this M. Leffing replies : ' I do not chuse to charge myself with • the justification of M. Marmontel on this point. I have already ob- • served [H], that characters should be more facred to the poet than • facts. First, because when the characters are well observed, the facts [H] Dramaturgie, Part I. page 57, where he defends the anachronisms as to the age of Elizabeth in Corneille's Comte de Essex, against the Criticisms of Voltaire. Corneille reprefents her as young when Effex is executed, which really happened near the close of her reign. Lessing says, ' If her character gives the poetic idea of that which history attributes ' to that queen the poet has fulfilled his duty, and we have no business to bring the work to ⚫ the strict tribunal of chronology or history.' In confirmation of this doctrine we have had three tragedies on this subject on our theatre, to which the history of Elizabeth must be much better known than it can be to a French audience, which have all the fame defect without its producing any ill consequence as to their reception on the stage. See Note IV. Chap. xvu. as
POETIC OF ARISTOTLE. • as being the consequence of fuch characters can never vary much [1], • as on the contrary the fame facts may be derived from characters en- ⚫ tirely different. Secondly, because the instruction does not lie in the • facts themselves, but in the knowledge that such characters in such • circumstances do and can only produce such facts (K). Nevertheless • Marmontel has done just the reverse. The fact is, that there was formerly in the seraglio an European female flave, who had art enough to get herfelf declared legally married to the emperor. The character • of this flave, and that of the emperor, determine the manner in which ⚫ this fact really happened; and because there might have been many • different characters by whose means it might really have happened, it certainly depends only on the poet, as poet, which, either of the • characters established by history, or of others, he chuses to employ, ⚫ according as the moral he has in view, requires one or the other. All ⚫ that is expected of him, in cafe he chuses other characters than those • which are furnished by history, or even such as absolutely contradict ، ، it, is to abstain also from historical names, and rather ascribe known • [L] facts to unknown persons than give to known persons manners • which do not belong to them. The first encreases our knowledge, or at least feems to encrease it, and pleases even on that account; the [1] This I think will hardly be granted, and indeed seems confuted by the other member. of the sentence. As the leading facts of the story of Elfrida not only might have been, but actually were nearly the fame as represented by Mr. Mason, so had Elfrida been drawn as she really was, undoubtedly the consequential facts might have been entirely different.. [K] The reader will observe that part of the reasoning here arises from M. Lessing's mistake as to the meaning of the Contes Moraux, or moral tales, mentioned in Note I.. [L] See Note Iv. Chap. XVIII.. Uu. fecond
33° ، ، second contradicts the knowledge we already have, and displeases for that reafon. We confider facts as accidental, and what may happen in common to many different persons, but characters on the contrary as something essential and particular. We permit the poet therefore to arrange the first according to his fancy, provided he does not make them contradictory to his characters. But as to the second he may put them indeed in the best light, but he must not alter them. The • least variation feems to destroy the individuality, and give us fictitious ، ، and deceitful perfons, who ufurp the names of other people, and try to pass on us for characters they in reality are not. ، Notwithstanding this, it appears to me a much more pardonable fault not to preserve in the perfons those characters which history has given them, than to err either as to probability or the moral intended to be conveyed in such characters as are chosen at will; for the first • defect may very well be united with genius, but not the second. It • is allowed to be ignorant of a thousand things that every school-boy • knows. It is not the acquifitions of memory, but the power of ، drawing from our own proper funds that conftitutes riches. As to what a poet has heard, or feen, or read, he either forgets it, or does not chuse to know it, just as fuits his purpose. He errs then fometimes through too much security, sometimes through contempt, sometimes through premeditated design, and sometimes not; and he does it so grossly, • and so often, that we poor fouls can never wonder enough at it. Lifting up our hands we cry, How could fo great a man have been ignorant of this? How could it have escaped his recollection ? Did not he take it into confideration? O let us be filent on the subject. • While we are trying to debafe him, we only make ourselves ridiculous ' in his eyes; all that we know more than him amounts folely to what we
POETIC OF ARISTOTLE. • we learned at school, without which we should have been completely stupid and ignorant indeed.'

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Ritter, cap. 15 § 2

δεύτερον δὲ τὰ ἁρμόττοντα: secundum praeceptum est ut poeta personis productis aptos mores affingat, de quibus praeclare agit Horatius in Arte poetica v. 114-124. haec Aristotelia nimium ieiuna et subobscura sunt et inepta brevitate laborant. offendit τὰ ἁρμόττοντα ubi τὸ- ἁρμόττον exspectamus, offendit etiam τὸ ἦθος ubi τι ἦθος vel simile quoddam desideramus: sed haec epitomatori sinistre contrahenti genuinam disputationem imputanda puto. ...