Aristotle Poetics 13.7

Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator)

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but now the most beautiful tragedies are composed about a few families; as for instance, about Alcmaeon, Oedipus, Orestes, Meleager, Thyestes, and Telephus4,

Poetics. Aristotle. Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator). London. 1857.

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The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) (English) (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.)

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 13 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 13 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 13 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Franz Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's 1839 Greek edition, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 13 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 13 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 13 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 13 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 13 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 13.7 focus
These principles are confirmed by experience; for Poets, formerly, admitted almost any story into the number of Tragic subjects; but now, the subjects of the best Tragedies are confined to a few families-to Alcmaeon, Oedipus, Orestes, Meleager, Thyestes, Telephus, and others, the sufferers, or the authors, of some terrible calamity.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 13.7 focus
but now the subjects of the best tragedies are taken from a few families as those of Alcmeon, of Edipus, of Meleager, of Thyestes, of Telephus and of such others as have either acted or suffered any thing terrible. 1 2
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 13 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 13.7 focus
Ce que nous voyons aujourd'huy eſt une preuve évidente de cette verité. Les Poëtes mettoient d'abord ſur le Theatre, avec ſuccez, toutes ſortes de ſujets; mais preſentement leurs plus belles pieces, & celles qui réüſſiſſent le mieux ſans contredit ſont celles dont les ſujets ne ſont pris que dans un petit nombre de familles comme dans celles d'Alcmæon, d'Edipe, d'Oreſte, de Meleagre, de Thyeſte, de Telephus, & de tous les autres qui ont fait ou ſouffert des choſes terribles.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 13 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 13 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 13 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition) (OCR draft) Experimental (The Arabic translation attributed to Abū Bishr Mattā, edited by Jaroslaus Tkatsch in 1928 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 13 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition, unaligned) (OCR draft) Experimental (Tkatsch's edition of the medieval Arabic translation in its original, unaligned segmentation.) — 13 focus

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-455

τὸ γιγνόμενον: Meteor. 1. 14, 352 b 19
δηλοῖ δὲ τὸ γιγνόμενον
. — 2. 8, 367 a 11
τεκμήριον δ᾽ ἐστὶ . . . καὶ τὸ γιγνόμενον περὶ ταύτας τὰς νήσους
. — De resp. 21, 480 a 26
μαρτυρεῖ τὸ γινόμενον
. — Pol. 7. 14, 1334 a 5
μαρτυρεῖ τὰ γιγνόμενα τοῖς λόγοις
. — Xenophon Hiero 9. 3
ὡς δὲ ταῦτα καλῶς ἔχει, μαρτυρεῖ τὰ γιγνόμενα
(=' quod vere fit, die Erfahrung': Sauppe, Lexil. Xenoph. p. 25).

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-456

1453a 18 ἀπηρίθμουν: perhaps a metaphor from the counting of money, in which each coin has to be accepted and allowed to pass as good. ' ἀπαριθμεῖν nova significatione dicit... est ergo ἀπαριθμεῖν recevoir, mettre en conte, et approuver'. ( Casaubon, in Musei Oxon. litt. conspectus 1 p. 28.) In HSt. it is rendered by ' narrare', and in Liddell and Scott by 'recount'.

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-457

1453a 20 Ἀλκμέωνα. On this (the Attic) form of the name see HSt. s. v. and Meisterhans, Gr. p. 35. It survives in A c in Rhet. 2. 23, 1397 b 3 and it is implied in Ἀλκμεωνίδης, the form the patronymic always has in the Ath. Pol.
1453a 24

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

16. mvp-aristotle-comment-307

13.7 Ce que nous voyons aujourd'huy, eſt une preuve évidente de cette verité. Les Poëtes mettoient d'abord ſur le Theatre avec ſuc-cez toutes ſortes de ſujets ; mais preſentement leurs plus belles pie-ces, font celles dont les ſujets ne font pris que dans un petit nom-bre de familles.] 1

17. mvp-aristotle-comment-308

13.7 Comme dans celles d'Alcmaon, d'Edipe, d'oreste, de Me-leagre de Thyeſte, & de Telephus.] 2

18. mvp-aristotle-comment-309

13.7 Meleagre.] 3

19. mvp-aristotle-comment-310

13.7 Telephus.] 4

20. mvp-aristotle-comment-311

13.7 Et de tous les autres qui ont fait ou fouffert des chofes terribles.] 5

21. mvp-aristotle-comment-312

13.7 Qui ont fait ou fouffert des choses terribles.] 6

Commentary on the Poetics (Henry James Pye, 1792) (OCR draft) (Henry James Pye's 1792 English commentary, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

13.6. mvp-aristotle-comment-43 13.7

NOW, THE SUBJECTS OF THE BEST TRAGEDIES ARE TAKEN FROM A FEW FAMILIES.

IN the time of Aristotle, the walk both of history and fable was confined within very narrow limits. (x) The transactions of Greece and Persia were the principal, and indeed the only objects of history properly so called, for that part of the works of Herodotus which does not relate to those countries, is rather the compilation of the traveller than the narration of the regular historian; and fable was confined to the Grecian mythology. Our dramatic field is greatly enlarged. Befides poffeffing almost every story proper for the drama which was known when Ariftotle wrote, we have the additional advantage of events drawn from the annals of more than twenty succeeding centuries, with all the variety of incident and manners that must arise from the adventures, the customs, and prejudices of different ages, governments and climates, and all the combinations that memory and imagination have been able to form out of fuch an immense mass of matter. It is true,' as Bossu observes, ⚫ that the ancients could not foresee what would happen after them: ، [x] See Note Iv. Chap. Ix. LI • but
، ' but he, (Boffu) who had the advantage of seeing it, might have em- 'ployed it to shew the possibility of compofing poems that would possess more incident, more striking situations, more manners, more pictures ' of human actions; in fine, more examples of every kind than can be • found in the ancient poets.' TERRASSON ON THE ILIAD. Perhaps there is something a little invidious in this observation; for the chief object of Terrasson seems to be the depreciation of Homer. That Homer from the scanty materials he possessed should have been able to form works containing such vast variety of incident and manners, as the Iliad and the Odyssey, and that Ariftotle from his writings, and their copiers the tragic poets, should have been able to deduce rules so generally applicable to the nature of imitative composition even at the present day, must excite at once our wonder and veneration. Nevertheless though the general precepts are so perfectly just, as being founded on truth and nature, it is impoffible they can strictly apply to all the variety of subjects which have enlarged the sphere of epic and dramatic fable in the course of fucceeding ages. We may trace in the institutions of Alfred the great outline of the British constitution, and find those striking canons of polity and freedom which the accumulated wisdom of centuries has never attempted, and I trust never will attempt to alter or amend; for in politics as well as poetics, all alteration of excellence is corruption. But at the fame time that we allow this, we cannot expect to find in a code of laws framed for a rude people, and comparatively a circumfcribed dominion, every regulation necessary for the government of a powerful and commercial empire, and its refined and luxurious inhabitants. NOTE

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

5. mvp-aristotle-comment-91

Ritter, cap. 13 § 5

τοὺς τυχόντας μύθους ἀπηρίθμουν: fabulas forte oblatas decantabant. ἀπηρίθμουν cum fastu quodam dictum est. ceterum ex his verbis ne colligas Aristolelem antiquis tragicis poetis praetulisse novos. ille enim nihil nisi hoc dicit, in eligendis fabulis novos tragoediarum scriptores, usu scilicet edoctos, cautius agere et prudentius. – ἡ μὲν οὖν κατὰ τὴν τέχνην καλλίστη τραγῳ- dia: tragoediam quam hactenus descripsit artis legibus maxime respondere, h. e. ita factam esse ut finem huic generi poesis propositum ceteris facilius assequatur, dum monet, prudenter adiungit κατὰ τὴν τέχνην. nam etiam ea tragoedia, cuius fabula ad artis leges bene constituta est, aliis vitiis inquinata potest esse unde fiat deterrima.