Aristotle Poetics 11.8

Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator)

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but sometimes it is necessary to discover both persons. Thus Iphigenia was recognised by Orestes through the sending an epistle4; but another discovery was requisite to his being known by Iphigenia. 1

Poetics. Aristotle. Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator). London. 1857.

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The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) (English) (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.)

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Editions (4)
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 11 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 11 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 11 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Franz Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's 1839 Greek edition, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 11 focus
Translations (13)
Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 11 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 11 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 11 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 11 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 11.8 focus
Now Discoveries, being relative things, are sometimes of one of the persons only, the other being already known; and sometimes they are reciprocal: thus, Iphigenia is discovered to Orestes by the letter which she charges him to deliver, and Orestes is obliged, by other means, to make himself known to her 1 .
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 11.8 focus
As the discovery is a discovery of certain persons, it will sometimes happen that one person only need be discovered to the other, the other
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 11 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 11.8 focus
Puis donc que la reconnoiſſance eſt la reconnoiſſance de certaines perſonnes, il faut qu'elle ſoit ou ſimple, ou double. La ſimple eſt quand une perſonne eſt reconnuë par une autre qu'elle connoît; & la double, quand il faut que deux perſonnes qui ne ſe connoiſſent pas, viennent à ſe reconnoître, comme dans l'Iphigenie d'Euripide, où Oreſte reconnoît cette Princeſſe par le moyen d'une lettre, & il faut une autre reconnoiſſance pour faire qu'Oreſte en ſoit connû.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 11 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 11 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 11 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition) (OCR draft) Experimental (The Arabic translation attributed to Abū Bishr Mattā, edited by Jaroslaus Tkatsch in 1928 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 11 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition, unaligned) (OCR draft) Experimental (Tkatsch's edition of the medieval Arabic translation in its original, unaligned segmentation.) — 11 focus

Notes on the current edition

Poetics

1. 6. The third requisite is pathos or disaster.

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

8. mvp-aristotle-comment-413

τινῶν ἐστιν ἀναγνώρισις. For the emphatic position of the indefinite pronoun comp. Soph. el.13, 173 b 3
ἥ τε ὄρεξις τινὸς ὄρεξις καὶ ἡ ἐπιθυμία τινὸς ἐπιθυμία καὶ τὸ διπλάσιον τινὸς διπλάσιον
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8. mvp-aristotle-comment-414

ἀναγνωρίσαι, scil. τίνες εἰσίν (to be supplied from the preceding δῆλος ἅτερος τίς ἐστιν), 'to reveal who they are', 'to make themselves known'—not as Tyrwhitt renders it, ' se invicem agnoscere'. The simple verb γνωρίζειν has (just like our English 'discover') two meanings, that of 'to learn' (= γιγνώσκειν) and that of 'to make known' (= γνώριμον ποιεῖν ἢ δηλοῦν). The first sense reappears in certain of the compounds ( προγνωρίζειν, συγγνωρίζειν), and the second in others ( διαγνωρίζειν, ἐπιγνωρίζειν). ἀναγνωρίζειν recalls both senses of γνωρίζειν, sometimes meaning 'to recognize', and sometimes 'to reveal'. (1) It means to 'recognize' in 14, 1453 b 31
ἀναγνωρίσαι τὴν φιλίαν
, and (with φιλίαν or some such word understood) in 14, 1453 b 35; 1454 a 3, 6, 8 . This is the sense of ἀναγνωριοῦντος also in 16, 1455 a 15 —where τὸ τόξον is understood, as the context ( τὸ τόξον γνώσεσθαι) will show; and of ἀναγνωρίσαι in 11, 1452 a 35
εἰ πέπραγέ τις ἢ μὴ πέπραγεν ἀναγνωρίσαι
, ' utrum fecerit aliquis an non fecerit agnoscere' ( Ritter). Another instance is in the passive, ἀνεγνωρίσθη ὑπὸ τῆς τροφοῦ, in 16, 1454 b 27 .
(2) On the other hand the word must mean 'reveal' in 16, 1454 b 32
ἀνεγνώρισεν ὅτι Ὀρέστης
, ' manifestum fecit se esse Orestem' ( Ritter), and in the parallel in 17, 1455 a 9 , where ὅτι Ὀρέστης or some equivalent has to be understood after ἀνεγνώρισεν ( comp. 17, 1455 b 21 ). The same sense is found in the passive in the present context (b 6), τῷ Ὀρέστῃ ἀνεγνωρίσθη, which means 'was revealed to Orestes', rather than 'was recognized' by him; and also (if I am not mistaken) in ἀνεγνωρίσθησαν in 16, 1455 a 3 . A third sense has been found for ἀναγνωρίσας in 17, 1455 b 21 , on which see note.

8. mvp-aristotle-comment-415

Ἰφιγένεια: comp. 16, 1454 b 32 . The reference is to Eurip. Iph. Taur. 727 sqq.

8. mvp-aristotle-comment-416

τῷ Ὀρέστῃ is probably not a dative of the agent but equivalent to πρὸς τὸν Ὀρέστην.

8. mvp-aristotle-comment-417

ἐκείνου is to be taken as a genitive after the ἀναγνωρίσεως that follows in b 8 ( comp. τινῶν b 3 , and θατέρου a 4 ). For a genitive depending on a following genitive compare ἑκάστου in 18, 1456 a 6 ( v. ad loc.), and Plato Rep.534 B
λόγον ἑκάστου τῆς οὐσίας
[ comp. Campbell, Rep. of Plato 2 p. 185].

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-276

11.8 La ſimple eſt, quand une perſonne eſt reconnuë par une autre qu'elle connoît.) 1

11. mvp-aristotle-comment-277

11.8 Et la double, quand il faut que deux perſonnes qui ne ſe connoiſſent point, viennent à ſe reconnoître, comme dans l'Iphigenie d'Euripide.] 2

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

5. mvp-aristotle-comment-82

Ritter, cap. 11 § 5

αἱ μὲν θατέρου πρὸς τὸν ἕτερον μόνον: talis agnitio inest in Aeschyli Choephoris: Orestes enim sororem Electram noverat, ipse autem se Electrae et verbis et signis quibusdam agnoscendum praebet. - οἷον ἡ μὲν Ἰφιγένεια τῷ Ὀρέστῃ ἀνεγνωρίσθη ἐκ τῆς πέμψεως τῆς ἐπιστολῆς: ex missa epistola agnoscitur Iphigenia a fratre Oresta in Euripidis Iphigenia Tauricensi v. 759-792. mirum rursus est Euripidis nomen reticeri, cum et Aeschylus et Sophocles Iphigeniam (Aulidensem) scripserint, et Polyidus Tauricensem ediderit. conferantur quae ad §. 1. huius capitis a nobis dicta sunt. accedit quod ἐκ τῆς πέμψεως τῆς ἐπιστολῆς non vere dictum est: Iphigenia enim illas litteras non mittit sed ipsa tradit. ἐκείνῳ δὲ πρὸς τὴν Ἰφιγένειαν ἄλλης ἔδει ἀναγνωρίσεως. conf. Iphigen. Tauricens. v. 811-826.