Aristotle Poetics 1.11

Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator)

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There is, however, nothing common to Homer and Empedocles except the measure; on which account, it is right indeed to call the former a poet; but the latter, a physiologist rather than a poet. 1

Poetics. Aristotle. Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator). London. 1857.

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The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) (English) (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.)

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 1 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 1 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 1 focus
Poetics, Greek text (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's Greek text from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 1 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 1 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 1 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 1 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 1 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 1.11 focus
For even they, who compose treatises of medicine, or natural philosophy, in verse, are denominated Poets: yet HOMER and EMPEDOCLES have nothing in common, except their metre; the former, therefore, justly merits the name of Poet; while the other should rather be called a Physiologist than a Poet.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 1.11 focus
but Homer and Empedocles have nothing in common with each other except the verse; therefore, though one indeed may justly be styled a poet, the other is rather a naturalist than a poet. For the same reason, if a person, though by mixing all the different kinds of verse, should form an imitation, (like the Hippocentaur of Chæremon, which is a mixed rhapsody of all measures) shall he be denied the name of Poet [D] ? This therefore is the proper manner of distinguishing as to [E] these circumstances. a critic, countenance any idea of a regular epic poem, either in prose or mixed verse;
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 1 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 1.11 focus
Cependant il n'y a rien de commun entre Homere & Empedocle que les vers : voilà pourquoy il ſeroit bien plus juſte d'appeller le premier un Poëte, & le ſecond un Phyſicien.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 1 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 1 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 1 focus
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Notes on the current edition

Poetics

1. 9. But the adherence to metre does not make the poet.

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

11. mvp-aristotle-comment-41

Ἐμπεδοκλεῖ In a fragment (fr. 70 Teubn.) of the dialogue περὶ ποιητῶν he is declared to have been a master of all the resources of epic language:
Ομηρικὸς ὁ Ἐμπεδοκλῆς καὶ δεινὸς περὶ τὴν φράσιν γέγονε, μεταφορικός τ᾽ ὧν καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις τοῖς περὶ ποιητικὴν ἐπιτεύγμασι χρώμενος
. This is not inconsistent with the present passage; Aristotle's meaning is that, though Empedocles may be a poet in his form, he is not a poet in his matter. A philosophic poem comes under the head of what the ancients termed didascalice, its purpose being to teach or instruct, rather than to interest us in a μίμησις, a picture of life and manners. That Empedocles was not in any real sense a poet is implied in Plato Theaet. 152 E
καὶ περὶ τούτου πάντες ἑξῆς οἱ σοφοὶ πλὴν Παρμενίδου ξυμφερέσθων, Πρωταγόρας τε καὶ Ἡράκλειτος καὶ Ἐμπεδοκλῆς, καὶ τῶν ποιητῶν οἱ ἄκροι τῆς ποιήσεως ἑκατέρας, κωμῳδίας μὲν Ἐπίχαρμος, τραγῳδίας δὲ Ὅμηρος
— where Empedocles, it will be observed, is put into distinct contrast with Homer. This view of him is more clearly stated in later writers, e.g. in Plutarch, De aud. poet. 16 C
τὰ δ᾽ Ἐμπεδοκλέους ἔπη καὶ Παρμενίδου καὶ θηριακά Νικάνδρου καὶ γνωμολογίαι Θεόγνιδος λόγοι εἰσὶ κεχρημένοι παρὰ ποιητικῆς ὥσπερ ὄχημα τὸ μέτρον καὶ τὸν ὄγκον, ἵνα τὸ πεζὸν διαφύγωσιν
. — Schol. Dionys. Thr. p. 166. 13 Hilgard
οὐκ ἔστι ποιητὴς ὁ μέτρῳ μόνῳ χρώμενος· οὐδὲ γὰρ Ἐμπεδοκλῆς ὁ τὰ φυσικὰ γράψας, οὐδὲ οἱ περὶ ἀστρολογίας εἰπόντες, οὐδὲ ὁ Πύθιος ἐμμέτρως χρησμῳδῶν
.

11. mvp-aristotle-comment-42

1447b19 ποιητὴν The poet is tacitly assumed to be a μιμητὴς ἐν μέτροις (comp. 24, 1460 a 7 ; 25, 1460 b 8 ).
1447b20

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

32. mvp-aristotle-comment-32

1.11 Cependant il n'y a rien de commun entre Homere & Empedocle que les vers. 1

Commentary on the Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) (Thomas Twining's notes on Aristotle's Poetics, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

8. mvp-aristotle-comment-8

NOTE 8. P. 4.

1.11 TREATISES OF MEDICINE OR NATURAL PHILOSOPHY IN VERSE.
Two Poems of Empedocles—that concerning Nature, and his Expiations—contained together, according to Diog. Laertius , five thousand hexameters, and another, on the subject of Medicine, six hundred.—
τα μεν ἐν περι ΦΥΣΕΩΣ αυτῳ και δι Καθαρμοι, ἐἰς ἐπη τεινεσι πεντακισχίλια, ὁ δε ΙΑΤΡΙΚΟΣ λογώ, ἐἰς ἑπη ἑξακοσια
[End of the Life of Empedocles.]
This, by the way, confirms the emendation of Heinsius —
φυσικον
, for
μεσικον
. 1 Nothing, I believe, is known of any ancient Poem on the subject of Music.
The earliest philosophy was natural philosophy, and the earliest vehicle of that philosophy was verse. Orpheus , Hesiod , Parmenides , Xenophanes , Empedocles , and Thales , are all mentioned by Plutarch as poet-philosophers of this kind. Pythagoras is said to have written a Poem On the Universe, in hexameters. This measure was, at least, suited to the dignity of philosophical speculation. We cannot say so much of the verse chosen by Epicharmus for the vehicle of a treatise Concerning sensible and intellectual objects—
Περι των αισθητων και νοητων
part of which is quoted by Diog. Laertius in his life of Plato . It was written in the Trochaic tetrameter, a very unphilosophical measure, if rightly characterized by Aristotle, who gives it the epithets of
τροχερον ὀρκησικον ΚΟΡΔΑΚΙΚΩΤΕΡΟΝ
. 2 An English reader would be surprised, on opening a didactic and philosophical Poem, to find it written in the measure of
"Jolly mortals, fill your glasses,"
&c.

9. mvp-aristotle-comment-9

NOTE 9.

1.11 P. 4. HOMER AND EMPEDOCLES HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON BUT THEIR METRE.
In his book De Poetis, Aristotle spoke somewhat differently. He there said, as cited by Diog. Laertius ,
"that Empedocles resembled Homer in the beauty of his DICTION; abounding in metaphors, and making a happy use of the other embellishments of Poetic language."
3 It does not seem easy to make this perfectly consistent with what he here asserts that Empedocles had nothing in common with Homer but his metre. He meant, I suppose, no more, than that Empedocles had nothing of the true Poetic character of Homer, his invention, imitation, &c. But he certainly has said more.

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

8. mvp-aristotle-comment-8

Ritter, cap. 1 § 8

καὶ γὰρ ἂν - οὕτω καλεῖν εἰώθασιν: haec usus vulgaris ostendunt perversitatem. μουσικὸν ex φυσικὸν corruptum esse coniecit D. Heinsius et plures qui assentirentur nactus est, nempe dicunt nullum eiusmodi poematis, quo musica tractarentur, tota antiquitate vestigium reperiri, carmina physica sive περὶ φύσεως conscripta nonnulla memorari, audio: sed Aristoteles hypothetice ( ἂν - ἐκφέρωσιν) dum loquitur, quod fieri posset non quod factum esset respicere potuit. ...