Lucian of Samosata, Hermotimus, ed. Kenneth Kilburn, 32

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ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Ἐπάξει δηλαδὴ ὁ ἀνὴρ καὶ φήσει πρός με ὧδέ πως, Ἀνάλογον τοίνυν, ὦ Λυκῖνε, κείσθω τις ἡμῖν τὰ Στωϊκῶν μόνα εἰδώς, καθάπερ ὁ σὸς φίλος οὗτος ὁ Ἑρμότιμος, ἀποδημήσας δὲ μηδεπώποτε μήτε ἐς Πλάτωνος μήτε παρὰ τὸν Ἐπίκουρον μήτε ὅλως παρ' ἄλλον τινά. εἰ τοίνυν λέγοι μηδὲν οὕτω καλὸν εἶναι μηδ’ ἀληθὲς παρὰ τοῖς πολλοῖς, οἷα τὰ τῆς Στοᾶς ἐστι καὶ ἃ ἐκείνη φησίν, οὐκ ἂν εὐλόγως θρασὺς εἶναι δόξειεν σοι περὶ πάντων ἀποφαινόμενος, καὶ ταῦτα ἓν εἰδώς, οὐδεπώποτε ἐξ Αἰθιοπίας τὸν ἕτερον πόδα προελθών; τί βούλει ἀποκρίνωμαι αὐτῷ;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Τὸ ἀληθέστατον ἐκεῖνο δηλαδή, ὅτι ἡμεῖς τὰ μὲν Στωϊκῶν καὶ πάνυ ἐκμανθάνομεν ὡς ἂν κατὰ ταῦτα φιλοσοφεῖν ἀξιοῦντες, οὐκ ἀγνοοῦμεν δὲ καὶ τὰ ὑπὸ τῶν ἄλλων λεγόμενα. ὁ γὰρ διδάσκαλος κἀκεῖνα μεταξὺ διέξεισι πρὸς ἡμᾶς καὶ ἀνατρέπει γε αὐτὰ προσθεὶς αὐτός.

Hermotimus. Lucian of Samosata. ed. Kenneth Kilburn. Medford, MA. Perseus 5.0.

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Current edition Perseus

Σκύθης ἢ πρόξενος (Greek) (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).)

Editions (1)

Ἑρμότιμος ἢ Περὶ Αἱρέσεων Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 32 focus

Ἑρμότιμος

τὸ ποῖον;

Λυκῖνος

ἐπάξει δηλαδὴ ὁ ἀνὴρ καὶ φήσει πρός με ὧδέ πως· ἀνάλογον τοίνυν κείσθω τις ἡμῖν, ὦ Λυκῖνε, τὰ Στωϊκῶν μόνα εἰδώς, καθάπερ ὁ σὸς φίλος οὗτος ὁ Ἑρμότιμος, ἀποδημήσας δὲ μηδεπώποτε μήτε ἐς Πλάτωνος μήτε παρὰ τὸν Ἐπίκουρον μήτε ὅλως παρʼ ἄλλον τινά. εἰ τοίνυν λέγοι μηδὲν οὕτω καλὸν εἶναι μηδʼ ἀληθὲς παρὰ τοῖς πολλοῖς, οἷα τὰ τῆς Στοᾶς ἐστι καὶ ἃ ἐκείνη φησίν, 773 οὐκ ἂν εὐλόγως θρασὺς εἶναι δόξειεν ἄν σοι περὶ πάντων ἀποφαινόμενος, καὶ ταῦτα ἓν εἰδώς, οὐδεπώποτε ἐξ Αἰθιοπίας τὸν ἕτερον πόδα προελθών; τί βούλει ἀποκρίνωμαι αὐτῷ;

Ἑρμότιμος

τὸ ἀληθέστατον ἐκεῖνο δηλαδή, ὅτι ἡμεῖς τὰ μὲν Στωϊκῶν καὶ πάνυ ἐκμανθάνομεν ὡς ἂν κατὰ ταῦτα φιλοσοφεῖν ἀξιοῦντες, οὐκ ἀγνοοῦμεν δὲ καὶ τὰ ὑπὸ τῶν ἄλλων λεγόμενα· ὁ γὰρ διδάσκαλος κἀκεῖνα μεταξὺ καὶ διέξεισι πρὸς ἡμᾶς καὶ ἀνατρέπει γε αὐτὰ προσθεὶς αὐτός.

Translations (2)

The Scythian or Consul Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 32 focus

LYCINUS

The fellow will certainly go on and say to me something like this: “Let us make a comparison, Lycinus, and posit a man who knows only the Stoic tenets, like this friend of yours, Hermotimus; he has never gone abroad to Plato’s country or stayed with Epicurus or in short with anyone else. Now, if he said that there was nothing in these many lands as beautiful or as true as the tenets and assertions of Stoicism, would you not with good reason think him bold in giving his opinion on all, and that when he knows only one, and has never put one foot outside Ethiopia?” What answer do you think I should give him?

HERMOTIMUS

This very true one, of course: that we do learn Stoicism very thoroughly indeed, since we think fit to pursue this branch of philosophy, but we are not unacquainted with what the others say. For our teacher explains all that to us as he goes along, and knocks it down with his own comments.

Hermotimus, or the Rival Philosophies Perseus (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 2. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.) — 32 focus

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Lycinus

The next step will be the application; my questioner will say, Now Lycinus, let us suppose an analogue, in a person acquainted only with the Stoic doctrine, like your friend Hermotimus; he bas never travelled in Plato’s country, or to Epicurus, or any other land; now, if he were to state that there was no such beauty or truth in those many countries as there is in the Porch and its teaching, would you not be justified in considering it bold of him to give you his opinion about them all, whereas he knew only one, having never set foot outside the bounds of Ethiopia? What reply do you advise to that?

Hermotimus

The perfectly true one, of course, that it is indeed the Stoic doctrine that we study fully, being minded to sink or swim with that, but still we do know what the others say also; our teacher rehearses the articles of their beliefs to us incidentally, and demolishes them with his comments.

Lucian of Samosata Hermotimus 32

ed. Kenneth Kilburn

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τὸ ποῖον;