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ἀλλ’ ὅρα μὴ καὶ ταῦτα, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, παίζεις πρός με πειρώμενος εἰ ἐξαπατώμενος συνίημι.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Διὰ τί τοῦτ' ἔφησθα;

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Ὅτι, ὦγαθέ, ἀνδριάντων ταύτην ἐξέτασιν λέγεις τὴν ἀπὸ τῶν σχημάτων. παρὰ πολὺ γοῦν ἐκεῖνοι εὐσχημονέστεροι καὶ τὰς ἀναβολὰς κοσμιώτεροι, Φειδίου τινὸς ἢ Ἀλκαμένους ἢ Μύρωνος πρὸς τὸ εὐμορφότατον εἰκάσαντος. εἰ δὲ καὶ ὅτι μάλιστα χρὴ τεκμαίρεσθαι τοῖς τοιούτοις, τί ἂν πάθοι τις, εἰ τυφλὸς ὢν ἐπιθυμοίη φιλοσοφεῖν; τῷ διαγνῷ τὸν τὴν ἀμείνω προαίρεσιν προῃρημένον οὔτε σχῆμα οὔτε βάδισμα ὁρᾶν δυνάμενος;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἀλλ' ἔμοιγε οὐ πρὸς τυφλοὺς ὁ λόγος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, οὐδέ μοι μέλει τῶν τοιούτων.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Ἐχρῆν μέν, ὦ χρηστέ, κοινόν τι τὸ γνώρισμα εἶναι τῶν οὕτω μεγάλων καὶ ἅπασι χρησίμων. πλὴν εἰ δοκεῖ, οἱ μὲν ἔξω ἡμῖν φιλοσοφίας μενέτωσαν οἱ τυφλοί, ἐπείπερ μηδὲ ὁρῶσι—καίτοι ἀναγκαῖον ἦν τοῖς τοιούτοις μάλιστα φιλοσοφεῖν ὡς μὴ πάνυ ἄχθοιντο ἐπὶ τῇ συμφορᾷ. οἱ δὲ δὴ βλέποντες κἂν πάνυ ὀξυδερκεῖς ὦσι τί ἂν δύναιντο συνιδεῖν τῶν τῆς ψυχῆς ἀπό γε τῆς ἔξωθεν ταύτης περιβολῆς;

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Σκύθης ἢ πρόξενος (Greek) (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).)

Editions (1)

Ἑρμότιμος ἢ Περὶ Αἱρέσεων Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 19 focus

Λυκῖνος

ἀλλʼ ὅρα μὴ καὶ ταῦτα, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, παίζεις πρός με πειρώμενος εἰ ἐξαπατώμενος συνίημι.

Ἑρμότιμος

διὰ τί τοῦτʼ ἔφησθα;

Λυκῖνος

ὅτι, ὦγαθέ, ἀνδριάντων ταύτην ἐξέτασιν λέγεις τὴν ἀπὸ τῶν σχημάτων· παρὰ πολὺ γοῦν ἐκεῖνοι εὐσχημονέστεροι καὶ τὰς ἀναβολὰς κοσμιώτεροι, Φειδίου τινὸς ἢ Ἀλκαμένους ἢ Μύρωνος πρὸς τὸ εὐμορφότατον εἰκάσαντος. εἰ δὲ καὶ ὅτι μάλιστα χρὴ τεκμαίρεσθαι τοῖς τοιούτοις, τί ἂν πάθοι τις, εἰ τυφλὸς ὢν ἐπιθυμοίη φιλοσοφεῖν; τῷ διαγνῷ τὸν τὴν ἀμείνω προαίρεσιν προῃρημένον οὔτε σχῆμα οὔτε βάδισμα ὁρᾶν δυνάμενος; 758

Ἑρμότιμος

ἀλλʼ ἔμοιγε οὐ πρὸς τυφλοὺς ὁ λόγος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, οὐδέ μοι μέλει τῶν τοιούτων.

Λυκῖνος

ἐχρῆν μέν, ὦ χρηστέ, κοινόν τι τὸ γνώρισμα εἶναι τῶν οὕτω μεγάλων καὶ ἅπασι χρησίμων. πλὴν εἰ δοκεῖ, οἱ μὲν ἔξω ἡμῖν φιλοσοφίας μενέτωσαν οἱ τυφλοί, ἐπείπερ μηδὲ ὁρῶσι — καίτοι ἀναγκαῖον ἦν τοῖς τοιούτοις μάλιστα φιλοσοφεῖν, ὡς μὴ πάνυ ἄχθοιντο ἐπὶ τῇ συμφορᾷ —, οἱ δὲ δὴ βλέποντες, κἂν πάνυ ὀξυδερκεῖς ὦσι, τί ἂν δύναιντο συνιδεῖν τῶν τῆς ψυχῆς ἀπό γε τῆς ἔξωθεν ταύτης περιβολῆς;

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The Scythian or Consul Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 19 focus

You’re surely making fun of me, Hermotimus; you’re trying to see if I can spot the catch.

HERMOTIMUS

Why do you say that?

LYCINUS

Because, my dear friend, this test of yours from appearances is for statues. They at any rate are much more prepossessing and comely in their dress, if a Phidias or Alcamenes or Myron has made them in the most handsome style. But if these are the surest, critical tests, what would a blind man do if he wanted to take up philosophy? How does he recognise the one who has made the better choice—he can see neither bearing nor gait?

HERMOTIMUS

My argument is not addressed to the blind, Lycinus, and I have no interest in them.

LYCINUS

But, my good sir, there should be some accepted criterion in matters so important and valuable to everyone. However, if you prefer, let the blind keep clear of philosophy since they cannot see—yet they of all people really should take up philosophy: then they would not be completely overwhelmed by their misfortune. Well then, those who can see: however sharp-sighted they may be, what can they detect of the qualities of the soul from this outer covering?

Hermotimus, or the Rival Philosophies Perseus (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 2. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.) — 19 focus

[19] Nay, do not play with me like this; you want to see whether I shall catch you at it.

Hermotimus

Why do you say that?

Lycinus

Because, my dear sir, this appearance test is one for statues; their decent orderly attire has it easily over the Stoics, because Phidias or Alcamenes or Myron designed them to be graceful. However, granting as much as you like that these are the right tests, what is a blind man to do, if he wants to take up philosophy? how is he to find the man whose principles are right, when he cannot see his appearance or gait?

Hermotimus

I am not teaching the blind, Lycinus; I have nothing to do with them.

Lycinus

Ah, but, my good sir, there ought to have been some universal criterion, in a matter of such great and general use. Still, if you will have it so, let the blind be excluded from philosophy, as they cannot see—though, by the way, they are just the people who most need philosophy to console them for their misfortune; but now, the people who can see—give them the utmost possible acuity of vision, and what can they detect of the spiritual qualities from this external shell?

Lucian of Samosata Hermotimus 19

ed. Kenneth Kilburn

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ἀλλ’ ὅρα μὴ καὶ ταῦτα, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, παίζεις πρός με πειρώμενος εἰ ἐξαπατώμενος συνίημι.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Διὰ τί τοῦτ' ἔφησθα;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἀλλ' ἔμοιγε οὐ πρὸς τυφλοὺς ὁ λόγος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, οὐδέ μοι μέλει τῶν τοιούτων.

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Λυκῖνος

ἀλλʼ ὅρα μὴ καὶ ταῦτα, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, παίζεις πρός με πειρώμενος εἰ ἐξαπατώμενος συνίημι.

Ἑρμότιμος

διὰ τί τοῦτʼ ἔφησθα;

Ἑρμότιμος

ἀλλʼ ἔμοιγε οὐ πρὸς τυφλοὺς ὁ λόγος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, οὐδέ μοι μέλει τῶν τοιούτων.

You’re surely making fun of me, Hermotimus; you’re trying to see if I can spot the catch.

HERMOTIMUS

Why do you say that?

HERMOTIMUS

My argument is not addressed to the blind, Lycinus, and I have no interest in them.

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

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ἀλλ’ ὅρα μὴ καὶ ταῦτα, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, παίζεις πρός με πειρώμενος εἰ ἐξαπατώμενος συνίημι.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Διὰ τί τοῦτ' ἔφησθα;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Ἀλλ' ἔμοιγε οὐ πρὸς τυφλοὺς ὁ λόγος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, οὐδέ μοι μέλει τῶν τοιούτων.

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Λυκῖνος ἀλλʼ ὅρα μὴ καὶ ταῦτα, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, παίζεις πρός με πειρώμενος εἰ ἐξαπατώμενος συνίημι.

Ἑρμότιμος διὰ τί τοῦτʼ ἔφησθα;

Ἑρμότιμος ἀλλʼ ἔμοιγε οὐ πρὸς τυφλοὺς ὁ λόγος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, οὐδέ μοι μέλει τῶν τοιούτων.

You’re surely making fun of me, Hermotimus; you’re trying to see if I can spot the catch.

HERMOTIMUS Why do you say that?

HERMOTIMUS My argument is not addressed to the blind, Lycinus, and I have no interest in them.

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

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ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Διὰ τί τοῦτ' ἔφησθα;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἀλλ' ἔμοιγε οὐ πρὸς τυφλοὺς ὁ λόγος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, οὐδέ μοι μέλει τῶν τοιούτων.

Λυκῖνος

ἀλλʼ ὅρα μὴ καὶ ταῦτα, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, παίζεις πρός με πειρώμενος εἰ ἐξαπατώμενος συνίημι.

Ἑρμότιμος

διὰ τί τοῦτʼ ἔφησθα;

Ἑρμότιμος

ἀλλʼ ἔμοιγε οὐ πρὸς τυφλοὺς ὁ λόγος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, οὐδέ μοι μέλει τῶν τοιούτων.

HERMOTIMUS

Why do you say that?

HERMOTIMUS

My argument is not addressed to the blind, Lycinus, and I have no interest in them.