Lucian of Samosata, Hermotimus, Kenneth Kilburn (Translator), 12

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HERMOTIMUS

Who won the argument, Lycinus, my teacher or Euthydemus? Did Midas say anything to this effect?

LYCINUS

At first, it seems, they were level, but in the end victory was on the side of you Stoics, and the old man was well in front. At any rate they say that Euthydemus didn’t get away unscathed: he was badly wounded in the head. You see he was pretentious and argumentative and wouldn’t be convinced and didn’t show himself ready to take criticism, so your excellent teacher hit him with a cup as big as Nestor’s ¹ which he had in his hand (he was lying quite near him), and so he won.

HERMOTIMUS

Well done! That’s just how to treat those who won’t give way to their betters!

LYCINUS

Very reasonable, Hermotimus. What possessed Euthydemus to irritate an old man so placid and a master of his temper, who had such a heavy cup in his hand?

Hermotimus. Lucian of Samosata. Kenneth Kilburn (Translator). Medford, MA. Perseus 5.0.

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Current edition Perseus

The Scythian or Consul (English) (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).)

Editions (2)

Ἑρμότιμος ἢ Περὶ Αἱρέσεων Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 12 focus

Ἑρμότιμος

ἐκράτησε δὲ πότερος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ὁ διδασκαλος ἢ ὁ Εὐθύδημος; εἴ τι καὶ τοιοῦτον ἔλεγεν ὁ Μίδας.

Λυκῖνος

τὰ μὲν πρῶτά φασιν, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, ἀγχώμαλα σφίσι γενέσθαι, τὸ δʼ οὖν τέλος τῆς νίκης καθʼ ὑμᾶς ἐγένετο καὶ παρὰ πολὺ ὁ πρεσβύτης ὑπερέσχε· τὸν γοῦν Εὐθύδημον οὐδʼ ἀναιμωτί φασιν ἀπελθεῖν, ἀλλὰ τραῦμα παμμέγεθες ἔχοντα ἐν τῇ κεφαλῇ· ἐπεὶ γὰρ ἀλαζὼν ἦν καὶ ἐλεγκτικὸς καὶ πείθεσθαι οὐκ ἤθελεν οὐδὲ παρεῖχε ῥᾴδιον αὑτὸν ἐλέγχεσθαι, ὁ διδάσκαλός σου ὁ βέλτιστος ὃν εἶχε σκύφον Νεστόρειόν τινα καταφέρει αὐτοῦ πλησίον κατακειμένου, καὶ οὕτως ἐκράτησεν.

Ἑρμότιμος

εὖ γε· οὐ γὰρ ἄλλως ἐχρῆν πρὸς τοὺς μὴ ἐθέλοντας εἴκειν τοῖς κρείττοσιν.

Λυκῖνος

ταυτὶ μέν, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, πάνυ εὔλογα. ἢ τί γὰρ παθὼν Εὐθύδημος ἄνδρα γέροντα παρώξυνεν, ἀόργητον καὶ θυμοῦ κρείττονα, σκύφον οὕτω βαρὺν ἐν τῇ 752 χειρὶ ἔχοντα;

Σκύθης ἢ πρόξενος Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 12 focus

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἐκράτησε δὲ πότερος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ὁ διδάσκαλος ἢ ὁ Εὐθύδημος; εἴ τι καὶ τοιοῦτον ἔλεγεν ὁ Μίδας.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Τὰ μὲν πρῶτά φασιν, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, ἀγχώμαλα σφίσι γενέσθαι, τὸ δ’ οὖν τέλος τῆς νίκης καθ' ὑμᾶς ἐγένετο καὶ παρὰ πολὺ ὁ πρεσβύτης ὑπερέσχε. τὸν γοῦν Εὐθύδημον οὐδὲ ἀναιμωτί φασιν ἀπελθεῖν, ἀλλὰ τραῦμα παμμέγεθες ἔχοντα ἐν τῇ κεφαλῇ. ἐπεὶ γὰρ ἀλαζὼν ἦν καὶ ἐλεγκτικὸς καὶ πείθεσθαι οὐκ ἤθελεν οὐδὲ παρεῖχε ῥᾴδιον αὑτὸν ἐλέγχεσθαι, ὁ διδάσκαλός σου ὁ βέλτιστος ὃν εἶχε σκύφον Νεστόρειόν τινα καταφέρει αὐτοῦ πλησίον κατακειμένου, καὶ οὕτως ἐκράτησεν.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Εὖ γε. οὐ γὰρ ἄλλως ἐχρῆν πρὸς τοὺς μὴ ἐθέλοντας εἴκειν τοῖς κρείττοσιν.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Ταυτὶ μέν, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, πάνυ εὔλογα. ἢ τί γὰρ παθὼν Εὐθύδημος ἄνδρα γέροντα παρώξυνεν ἀόργητον καὶ θυμοῦ κρείττονα, σκύφον οὕτω βαρὺν ἐν τῇ χειρὶ ἔχοντα;

Translations (1)

Hermotimus, or the Rival Philosophies Perseus (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 2. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.) — 12 focus

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Hermotimus

Which had the victory, though, he or Euthydemus—if Midas said anything about that?

Lycinus

Why, at first, I gathered, it was very even between them; but you Stoics had it in the end, and your master was much too hard for him. Euthydemus did not even get off whole; he had a great cut on his head. He was pretentious, insisted on proving his point, would not give in, and proved a hard nut to crack; so your excellent professor, who had a goblet as big as Nestor’s in his hand, brought this down on him as he lay within easy reach, and the victory was his.

Hermotimus

Good; 80 perish all who will not yield to their betters!

Lycinus

Very reasonable, Hermotimus; what was Euthydemus thinking of, to irritate an old man who is purged of wrath and master of his passions, when he had such a heavy goblet in his hand?

Notes on the current edition

The Scythian or Consul

1. For Nestor’s cup, see Homer, Il. xi, 636.

Lucian of Samosata Hermotimus 12

Kenneth Kilburn (Translator)

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HERMOTIMUS

Who won the argument, Lycinus, my teacher or Euthydemus? Did Midas say anything to this effect?

HERMOTIMUS

Well done! That’s just how to treat those who won’t give way to their betters!

LYCINUS

Very reasonable, Hermotimus. What possessed Euthydemus to irritate an old man so placid and a master of his temper, who had such a heavy cup in his hand?

Current edition Perseus

Ἑρμότιμος

ἐκράτησε δὲ πότερος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ὁ διδασκαλος ἢ ὁ Εὐθύδημος; εἴ τι καὶ τοιοῦτον ἔλεγεν ὁ Μίδας.

Ἑρμότιμος

εὖ γε· οὐ γὰρ ἄλλως ἐχρῆν πρὸς τοὺς μὴ ἐθέλοντας εἴκειν τοῖς κρείττοσιν.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἐκράτησε δὲ πότερος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ὁ διδάσκαλος ἢ ὁ Εὐθύδημος; εἴ τι καὶ τοιοῦτον ἔλεγεν ὁ Μίδας.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Εὖ γε. οὐ γὰρ ἄλλως ἐχρῆν πρὸς τοὺς μὴ ἐθέλοντας εἴκειν τοῖς κρείττοσιν.

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Notes on the current edition

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HERMOTIMUS Who won the argument, Lycinus, my teacher or Euthydemus? Did Midas say anything to this effect?

HERMOTIMUS Well done! That’s just how to treat those who won’t give way to their betters!

LYCINUS Very reasonable, Hermotimus. What possessed Euthydemus to irritate an old man so placid and a master of his temper, who had such a heavy cup in his hand?

Current edition Perseus

Ἑρμότιμος ἐκράτησε δὲ πότερος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ὁ διδασκαλος ἢ ὁ Εὐθύδημος; εἴ τι καὶ τοιοῦτον ἔλεγεν ὁ Μίδας.

Ἑρμότιμος εὖ γε· οὐ γὰρ ἄλλως ἐχρῆν πρὸς τοὺς μὴ ἐθέλοντας εἴκειν τοῖς κρείττοσιν.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Ἐκράτησε δὲ πότερος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ὁ διδάσκαλος ἢ ὁ Εὐθύδημος; εἴ τι καὶ τοιοῦτον ἔλεγεν ὁ Μίδας.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Εὖ γε. οὐ γὰρ ἄλλως ἐχρῆν πρὸς τοὺς μὴ ἐθέλοντας εἴκειν τοῖς κρείττοσιν.

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Notes on the current edition

Stable identifiers

HERMOTIMUS

Who won the argument, Lycinus, my teacher or Euthydemus? Did Midas say anything to this effect?

HERMOTIMUS

Well done! That’s just how to treat those who won’t give way to their betters!

LYCINUS

Very reasonable, Hermotimus. What possessed Euthydemus to irritate an old man so placid and a master of his temper, who had such a heavy cup in his hand?

Ἑρμότιμος

ἐκράτησε δὲ πότερος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ὁ διδασκαλος ἢ ὁ Εὐθύδημος; εἴ τι καὶ τοιοῦτον ἔλεγεν ὁ Μίδας.

Ἑρμότιμος

εὖ γε· οὐ γὰρ ἄλλως ἐχρῆν πρὸς τοὺς μὴ ἐθέλοντας εἴκειν τοῖς κρείττοσιν.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἐκράτησε δὲ πότερος, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ὁ διδάσκαλος ἢ ὁ Εὐθύδημος; εἴ τι καὶ τοιοῦτον ἔλεγεν ὁ Μίδας.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Εὖ γε. οὐ γὰρ ἄλλως ἐχρῆν πρὸς τοὺς μὴ ἐθέλοντας εἴκειν τοῖς κρείττοσιν.