Plato Republic 8.562

Paul Shorey (Translator)

Republic. Plato. Paul Shorey (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1935-37.

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Notes on the current edition

Republic

1. For the irony cf. 607 E
τῶν καλῶν πολιτειῶν
, 544 C
γενναία
, 558 C
ἡδεῖα
.
2. τίς τρόπος . . . γίγνεται is a mixture of two expressions that need not be pressed. Cf. Meno 96 D, Epist. vii. 324 B. A. G. Laird, in Class. Phil., 1918, pp. 89-90 thinks it means
What τρόπος (of the many τρόποι in a democracy) develops into a τρόπος of tyranny; for that tyranny is a transformation of democracy is fairly evident.
That would be a recognition of what Aristotle says previous thinkers overlook in their classification of polities.
3. Their idea of good. Cf. 555 b
προκειμένου ἀγαθοῦ
. Cf. Laws 962 E with Aristot. Pol. 1293 b 14 ff. Cf. also Aristot. Pol. 1304 b 20
αἱ μὲν οὖν δημοκρατίαι μάλιστα μεταβάλλουσι διὰ τὴν τῶν δημαγωγῶν ἀσέλγειαν
. Cf. also p. 263, note e on 551 B ( ὅρος) and p. 139, note c on 519 C ( σκοπός).
4. Cf. 552 B, and for the disparagement of wealth p. 262, note b, on 550 E.
5. Zeller, Aristot. ii. p. 285, as usual credits Aristotle with the Platonic thought that every form of government brings ruin on itself by its own excess.
6. Cf. Arnold, Culture and Anarchy, p. 43
The central idea of English life and politics is the assertion of personal liberty.
7. Aristot. Pol. 1263 b 29 says life would be impossible in Plato’s Republic.
8. ᾖα . . . ἐρῶν: cf. 449 A, Theaet. 180 C.
9. Or protectors, tribunes, προστατούντων. Cf. on 565 C, p. 318, note d.
10. Cf. Livy xxxix. 26
velut ex diutina siti nimis avide meram haurientes libertatem,
Seneca, De benefic. i. 10
male dispensata libertas,
Taine, Letter,Jan. 2, 1867
nous avons proclamé et appliqué l’égalité . . . C’est un vin pur et généreux; mais nous avons bu trop du nôtre.
11. μιαρούς is really stronger, pestilential fellows. Cf. Apol. 23 D, Soph. Antig. 746. It is frequent in Aristophanes.
12. For the charge of oligarchical tendencies cf. Isoc. Peace 51 and 133, Areop. 57, Antid. 318, Panath. 158.
13. Cf. Symp. 184 C, 183 A. Cf. the essay of Estienne de la Boétie, De la servitude volontaire. Also Gray, Ode for Music, 6
Servitude that hugs her chain.
14. For οὐδὲν ὄντας cf. 341 C, Apol. 41 E, Symp. 216 E, Gorg. 512 C, Erastae 134 C, Aristoph. Eccles. 144, Horace, Sat. ii. 7. 102
nil ego,
Eurip. I. A. 371, Herod. ix. 58
οὐδένες ἐόντες
.
15. Cf. Laws 699 E
ἐπὶ πᾶσαν ἐλευθερίαν
, Aristoph. Lysistr. 543
ἐπὶ πᾶν ἰέναι
, Soph. El. 615
εἰς πᾶν ἔργον
.
16. Cf. 563 C, Laws 942 D.

Commentary

Commentary on Plato, Republic (Plato. The Republic, Vol 1-2. Adam, James, editor. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1902-1903.) focus

ἡ καλλίστη κτλ. As Oligarchy fell a victim to the excessive pursuit of its ideal, viz. Wealth, so also the extravagant devotion to liberty and equality subverts in course of time the democratic State. In 562 A—565 D Plato puts before us the different stages in the fall of democracy: cf. Arist. Pol. Δ 4 1291^{b} 30—1292^{a} 38, where the various εἴδ<*>ς δημοκρατίας are distinguished, and Newman The Politics of Aristotle IV pp. xxxvi—lxi. Plato's description, as usual, can be illustrated in many places from Greek and especially Athenian political and social life: see 562 D, E, 563 B, C, D al. notes

γίγνεται =‘prodit,’ ‘quaerentibus se offert’ (Schneider). Cf. III 412 C οἱ δὲ γεωργῶν ἄριστοι ἆρ’ οὐ γεωργικώτατοι γίγνονται, Euthyd. 298 E ὥστε σὸς πατὴρ γίγνεται ὁ κύων καὶ σὺ κυναρίων ἀδελφός, infra 566 A, IX 576 B and Prot. 325 B with my note ad loc. ‘What,’ asks Socrates, ‘do we find to be the character of tyranny? As for its origin, it is pretty obvious that tyranny comes from democracy.’ For the order of questions cf. 558 C. The words ὅτι μὲν γὰρ κτλ., when taken in connexion with the preceding question, seem at first sight to suggest that the μεταβολή will not be described: but cf. V 466 D, where μὲν γὰρ is used in exactly the same way, and followed by a full account of the topic to which its clause refers. See also App. V.

ἆρ’ οὖν κτλ. begins a long description of the τρόπος τῆς γενέσεως: the τρόπος τῆς πολιτείας is not described till 566 D ff. Here again the situation in V 466 D is nearly, though not quite, analogous: see note ad loc. For other views on this passage consult App. V.

προὔθεντο : sc. the citizens of the oligarchical State. Stallbaum reads προὔθετο, on inferior MS authority; but the plural is easy enough: cf. 550 D.

καὶ δἰ ὃ κτλ. explains and amplifies ὃ—ἀγαθόν. Wealth is the cause of oligarchy, that ‘on account of’ which it was established: cf. 550 D ff., 551 C, 555 B ( τοῦ προκειμένου ἀγαθοῦ). The reading δἰ οὗ (see cr. n.) would make wealth the means or instrument in producing the result, and this it was not, except in the loose sense in which the προκείμενον ἀγαθόν is also a means. I formerly conjectured δἰ ὃ αὖ ( Cl. Rev. IV p. 357), but αὖ is unsuitable. For the corruption in the MSS see note on διὰ τοῦτο X 610 D. Jowett wrongly translates καθίστατο by ‘was maintained.’

πλοῦτος . See cr. n. The majority of editors reject ὑπέρπλουτος: rightly, for the word is not used except as an adjective. A host of emendations has been suggested, ὁ πέρα πλοῦτος (Richter Fleck. Jb. 1867 p. 146), ὑπέρπλουτος <πλοῦτος> (Stallbaum), ὑπὲρ πλούτου (Madvig—but the use of ὑπέρ is not above suspicion), που πλοῦτος (Campbell), ὑπερπλουτεῖν (apud J. and C.), εἴπερ τι, πλοῦτος (Apelt Berl. Phil. Woch. 1895 p. 968). Stephanus' conjecture γίγνεσθαι ὑπέρπλουτον was adopted by Ast. The expression ὑπέρπλουτος πλοῦτος occurs in Joan. Damasc. III 733 A ed. Migne, but in a highly rhetorical passage and without any reference to Plato. It is probably best to read πλοῦτος, with Schneider and Hermann. ὑπέρπλουτος may have originally been a marginal note intended to recall ὑπέρπλουτοι in 552 B.

ἀπώλλυ . 555 C—557 A.

ἐλευθερίαν . See 557 B note

ἀκούσαις ‐‐ ἐλεύθερος rings like an echo from some of the panegyrists of Athens: cf. Eur. Ion 669 —675 with Menex. 239 A ff. and Thuc. II 37. 2.

ἔχει ‐‐ κάλλιστον (sc. ἡ δημοκρατουμένη πόλις)=‘is its fairest possession,’ not ‘it has this in the highest perfection’ (as suggested in J. and C.).

προστατούντων . See on 565 C.

ἂν μὴ ‐‐ ὀλιγαρχικούς . For a striking example see the account of the proceedings after Arginusae in Xen. Hell. I 7. 12 —15.

μέχρι τῶν θηρίων . See on 563 C, D.

πατέρα μὲν κτλ. Cf. Laws 701 B, [Xen.] Rep. Ath. I 8—12 and Mem. III 5. 15, 16 (Hermann Gesch. u. System d. Pl. Phil. p. 91).