Plato Republic 3.405

Paul Shorey (Translator)

Republic. Plato. Paul Shorey (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1935-37.

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Republic (English) (Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 5-6. Shorey, Paul, translator. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1935-37 (printing).)

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Notes on the current edition

Republic

1. δικανική: more contemptuous than δικαστική.
2. I have given the sense. The contruction is debated accordingly as we read ἀπορία or ἀπορίᾳ. Cf. Phaedrus 239 D, of the use of cosmetics, χήτει οἰκείων. The καί with ἀπορίᾳ is awkward or expresses the carelessness of conversation.
3. Plato likes to emphasize by pointing to a lower depth or a higher height beyond the superlative.
4. There is no exact English equivalent for ἀπειροκαλία, the insensitiveness to the καλόν of the banausic, the nouveau riche and the Philistine.
5. The phrasing of this passage recalls passages of Aristophanes’ Clouds, and the description of the pettifogging lawyer and politician in the Theaetetus 172 E. Cf. 519, also Euthydemus 302 B, and Porphyry, De abstinentia, i. 34. The metaphors are partly from wrestling.
6. Cf. Blaydes on Aristophanes Knights 263.
7. Cf. Gorgias 507 D, Thucydides iii. 82, Isocrates Antidosis 238, Antiphanes, fr. 288 Kock
ὁ μηδὲν ἀδικῶν οὐδενὸς δεῖται νόμου
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8. Plato ridicules the unsavory metaphors required to describe the effects of auto-intoxication. There is a similar bit of somewhat heavier satire in Spencer’s Social Statics, 1868, p. 32:
Carbuncled noses, cadaverous faces, foetid breaths, and plethoric bodies meet us at every turn; and our condolences are prepetually asked for headaches, flatulences, nightmare, heartburn, and endless other dyspeptic symptoms.
9. Plato is probably quoting from memory. In our text, Iliad xi. 624, Hecamede gives the draught to Machaon and Nestor as the Ion (538 B) correctly states.

Commentary

Commentary on Plato, Republic (Plato. The Republic, Vol 1-2. Adam, James, editor. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1902-1903.) focus

ἰατρεῖα were both dispensaries and consulting-rooms etc. See Laws 646 C and other references in Blümner l.c. p. 359. In some ἰατρεῖα patients were also housed and treated by doctors (Häser Lehrbuch d. Gesch. d. Med. etc. I pp. 86 ff.), so that in certain cases they resembled a sort of private hospital. For the remedial conception of punishment prevailing in the whole of this section see II 380 B note

δικανική . Cobet calls for δικαστική, and at first sight δικαστῶν just below seems to favour his view. But Plato deliberately selects the less reputable word, meaning by it the arts by which men try to lead the true δικαστής (cf. Ap. 40 A ) astray: see infra B, C. In his own city there is no δικανική, but only δικαστική (409 E, 410 A). It appears from Laws IV 720 C ff. that a doctor's assistants were usually slaves, and that slaves for the most part treated slaves, and freemen freemen, but the rule was not universal (see Blümner l. c. p. 359 note 1). Plato holds that the increase of citizen doctors points to the spread of self-indulgence among the free-born population.

καὶ ἀπορίᾳ οἰκείων has suffered severely at the hands of critics, who have bracketed καί (Ast and others), or read καὶ ἀπορία οἰκείων (Hermann), or δικαίων ἀπορίᾳ οἰκείων (Madvig), or finally denounced the words as a ‘futile interpretamentum.’ Schneider explains καί as “idque” (“und zwar” in his translation), and so also Prantl, and Shilleto (on Dem. F. L. § 101). This interpretation appears to me forced and unnatural. It is simplest to make ἀπορίᾳ as well as τῷ δικαίῳ depend on χρῆσθαι, and regard χρῆσθαι ἀπορίᾳ as equivalent to εἶναι ἄποροι, just as χρῆσθαι ἀμαθίᾳ (for example) means no more than εἶναι ἀμαθεῖς. The plural οἰκείων does not refer to δεσποτῶν, but is the genitive of οἰκεῖα, which means ‘resources of one's own,’ ‘personal resources’) ( ἐπακτῷ παρ’ ἄλλων. Cf. the use of τὰ οἰκεῖα in the literal sense for res familiaris I 343 E al.

ἦ δοκεῖ κτλ. Glauco has said that χρῆσθαι ἐπακτῷ τῷ δικαίῳ is the most disgraceful thing of all. Socrates asks him whether it ( τοῦτο) is more disgraceful than the other case ( τούτου) which he is about to mention; and Glauco's reply is ‘no: this other case is even more disgraceful than the first’ (infra C). The meaning was missed by the critic who (see Rev. de Philol. XV p. 83) ingeniously suggested the insertion of ἢ οὔ; after δικαστοῦ just before Glauco's reply. In what follows the litigiousness of the Athenian nature is satirised.

ἀποστραφῆναι : an expressive and epigrammatic condensation for ἀπολυθῆναι στρεφόμενος. λυγιζόμενος is rightly explained by the Scholiast as στρεφόμενος, καμπτόμενος, ἀπὸ τῶν λύγων· λύγος δέ ἐστι φυτὸν ἱμαντῶδες. The corruption λογιζόμενος (found in all MSS except A and—according to Rostagno —M) was easy and almost inevitable.

παρασχεῖν δίκην . The same phrase appears in Eur. Hipp. 49 , 50, and Herwerden should not have proposed ὑποσχεῖν. Plato's view in the Gorgias is that the guilty should denounce themselves to the judge and be cured by suffering punishment: see II 380 B note

φύσας τε καὶ κατάρρους . The order is chiastic, φύσας referring to πνευμάτων, and κατάρρους to ῥευμάτων. Plato clearly indicates that the medical use of these words was only beginning in his day, and it is the application of these words to diseases which he derides, not the words themselves when used of bellows, blasts, and torrents (see the Lexica). The experiment in language is better preserved by rendering ‘blasts and torrents’ than ‘flatulence and catarrh.’ For φῦσα cf. (with Poschenrieder l. c. p. 47) [Hippocr.] de flatibus VI p. 94 c. 3 Littré πνεύματα δὲ τὰ μὲν ἐν τοῖσι σώμασι φῦσαι καλέονται, τὰ δὲ ἔξω τῶν σωμάτων ἀήρ, and ib. c. 7 ὅταν οὖν τὸ σῶμα σιτίων πλησθῇ, καὶ πνεύματος πλησμονὴ ἐπὶ πλέον γίγνεται τῶν σιτίων χρονιζομένων· χρονίζεται δὲ τὰ σιτία διὰ τὸ πλῆθος οὐ δυνάμενα διελθεῖν· ἐμφραχθείσης δὲ τῆς κάτω κοιλίης, ἐς ὅλον τὸ σῶμα διέδραμον αἱ φῦσαι. Other examples of the use of the term in the Hippocratean corpus are cited by Stephanus-Hase Thes. s.v. With κατάρρους cf. Crat. 440 C ἀτεχνῶς ὥσπερ οἱ κατάρρῳ νοσοῦντες ἄνθρωποι. The word is found in the Hippocratean writings, and denotes “defluxionem aut omnem humoris ex capite ad os et asperam arteriam, atque per eam ad pulmonem, delationem ac descensum” (StephanusHase s. v., where examples are quoted).

τοὺς κομψοὺς Ἀσκληπιάδας . The epithets κομψοί and χαρίεντες were often applied to the more advanced and scientific sort of physicians (Blümner Privatalt. p. 358 note 2). The Ἀσκληπιάδαι were a well-recognised sect or college of physicians, with schools in Cyrene, Rhodes, Cos and Cnidos. See Günther in Iwan Müller's Handbuch V 1 p. 103, and Hug on Symp. 186 E .

καὶ μάλ) ‐‐ ὀνόματα : ‘Yes, indeed, these are truly’ etc. Glauco does not reply to οὐκ αἰσχρὸν δοκεῖ, but simply corroborates what Socrates has said about the new medical terminology. This is simpler than to place (with Schneider) a colon after ἔφη, and take καὶ μάλα with αἰσχρόν. The asyndeton on Schneider's view is too harsh, and would almost require the insertion of καί before ὡς, or (if ὡς ἀληθῶς were taken as ὡς ἀληθῶς αἰσχρόν) before καινά; neither of which alternatives is satisfying. For similar inexactness in replies see V 465 E note

οἱ ὑεῖς ‐‐ ἐπετίμησαν . In themselves these words can only mean that Machaon and Podalirius (the two chief army doctors to the Greek host, Il. XI 833) found no fault with the damsel who gave the wounded Eurypylus an inflammatory potion, or with Patroclus, who was curing him, for directing or permitting her to do so. In our Homer, however, the potion is given, not to Eurypylus but to the wounded Machaon, by Hecamede, Nestor's slave ( Il. XI 624); and this is correctly related in Ion 538 B. The inconsistency led Ast to suspect the genuineness both of Εὐρυπύλῳ—see however 408 A—and of οὐδὲ Πατρόκλῳ τῷ ἰωμένῳ; but there can be little doubt that the text is sound. We must suppose either that Plato is confused, or else that in his text of Homer such a potion was administered, not only to the wounded Machaon (as in the Ion l.c.), but also to the wounded Eurupylus, with Patroclus' sanction. The first alternative is possible, and approved by Howes ( Harvard Studies etc. VI p. 198): but as it is clear from the Ion— if the Ion is genuine—that Plato was familiar with the story of Machaon's treatment, I think it more likely that Plato's Homer related a similar incident in connexion with the treatment of Eurypylus also. For the healing of Eurypylus see Il. XI 844 ff., XV 394.

οἶνον Πράμνειον . Athenaeus, alluding to this passage, informs us that Pramneian wine was παχὺς καὶ πολυτρόφος (I 10 B).

φλεγματώδη : ‘inflammatory.’ Cf. [Hippocr.] περὶ νούσων IV c. 35 (VII p. 548 Littré) ἐπήν τις φάγῃ τυρὸν ἢ ὅ τι ἐστὶ δριμύ, ἢ ἄλλο τι φάγῃ ἢ πίῃ ὅ τι ἐστὶ φλεγματῶδες, αὐτίκα οἱ ἐπιθέει ἐπὶ τὸ στόμα καὶ τὰς ῥῖνας (Poschenrieder l.c. p. 49).

τῇ παιδαγωγικῇ ‐‐ ἰατρικῇ . Cf. Tim. 89 C παιδαγωγεῖν δεῖ διαίταις πάντα τὰ τοιαῦτα—ἀλλ’ οὐ φαρμακεύοντα κακὸν δύσκολον ἐρεθιστέον.

Ἡρόδικον . Herodicus, a native of Megara, and afterwards a citizen of Selymbria, is mentioned by Plato again in Prot. 316 E and Phaedr. 227 D . He was one of the earliest to study scientifically the therapeutics of exercise and diet, and particularly recommended long walks, according to Plato ( Phaedr. l.c. τὸν περίπατον Μέγαράδε. Cf. Häser Lehrb. d. Gesch. d. Med. etc. I p. 94). The description of his health given here is confirmed by Aristotle Rhet. I 5. 1361^{b} 4—6 πολλοὶ—ὑγιαίνουσιν ὥσπερ Ἠρόδικος λέγεται, οὓς οὐδεὶς ἂν εὐδαιμονίσειε τῆς ὑγιείας διὰ τὸ πάντων ἀπέχεσθαι τῶν ἀνθρωπίνων ἢ τῶν πλείστων (a passage curiously misunderstood by J. and C., who seem to take λέγεται for λέγει). Plato himself thoroughly appreciates the connexion between γυμναστική and ἰατρική: see for example Gorg. 452 A ff., 464 B ff., Soph. 228 E , Pol. 295 C .

νοσώδης γενόμενος . εἰς φθίσιν ἀνήκεστον πάθος ἐμπεσών, says Plutarch ( de his qui sero etc. 554 C).

μακρὸν ‐‐ τὸν θάνατον κτλ. Cf. Eur. Suppl. 1109 —1113 μισῶ δ’ ὅσοι χρῄζουσιν ἐκτείνειν βίον | βρωτοῖσι καὶ ποτοῖσι καὶ μαγεύμασι | παρεκτρέποντες ὀχετὸν ὥστε μὴ θανεῖν· | οὓς χρῆν, ἐπειδὰν μηδὲν ὠφελῶσι γῆν, | θανόντας ἔρρειν κἀκποδὼν εἶναι νέοις, and Aesch. Fr. 395 , Soph. Fr. 689 .

δυσθανατῶν : not “dum malam obit mortem” (Stallbaum), but ‘dying hard’ like δυσθνῄσκων.

καλόν . Because he was the first to profit by his own invention. The assonance γῆρας—γέρας is quite in Plato's manner: cf. IV 439 C, VI 487 C, VIII 557 C notes

οὐδενὶ σχολὴ κτλ. Steinhart ( Platon's Werke V p. 172) thinks it strange that so idealistic a thinker as Plato should not recognise the power of spiritual strength to rise superior to bodily weakness. This truth was not ignored by Plato (see infra 408 E and VI 496 B), although here, perhaps, he forgets that conspicuous examples of fortitude and resignation have a political as well as a private value: “they also serve who only stand and wait.”

καύσει ἢ τομῇ . The two methods of ancient surgery: see Blümner Privatalt. p. 353 note

μακρὰν has less authority than μικράν (see cr. n.), but is probably right. The contrast with the immediate remedies just described seems to require an allusion to the duration of the regimen: cf. also μακρὸν—τὸν θάνατον in B above. μικράν is not sufficiently defended by a reference to κατὰ σμικρόν in 407 D, nor by the allusion to πιλίδια καὶ τὰ τούτοις ἑπόμενα. Moreover σμικρός, and not μικρός, is the prevailing form throughout the Republic. μικρός appears to occur only in V 453 D and VI 498 D. On the inscriptional usage see Meisterhans^{3} p. 89.

πιλίδια . Felt caps were worn by the sick and delicate (see the references in Blümner l.c. p. 180 note 5); but as artisans and sailors usually wore felt caps too ( Dict. Ant. II p. 427), Plato perhaps alludes to some special coverings for the head prescribed by doctors from time to time in a course of medical treatment. The plural also points to this. If not, he uses the expression quite generally, as an example of the treatment he condemns. Well-to-do Greeks generally went bareheaded.

εἶπεν . The ‘momentary’ aorist well expresses the carpenter's decided businesslike tone. His view of life resembles that of the ‘meditative skipper’ in Gorg. 511 D ff.

ὑγιὴς ‐‐ ἀπηλλάγη . He regains his health on losing his doctor, or if he dies, dies without help. Cf. Plut. Apophth. Lac. 231 A τοῦ δὲ ἰατροῦ εἰπόντος αὐτῷ, Γέρων γέγονας, Διότι, εἶπεν, οὐκ ἐχρησάμην σοι ἰατρῷ. (The anecdote is told of Pausanias the Spartan king.)

ἦν . The carpenter is now dismissed: hence the imperfect ἦν, which should be retained in translating. Stallbaum (followed by J. and C.) explains ἦν as the ‘philosophic’ imperfect= ἐστίν, ὡς ἄρτι ἐλέγομεν (in 406 C). This is much less simple and lively. “Wohl weil er ein Geschäft hatte, bei dessen Unterlassung es ihm nicht erspriesslich war zu leben?” Schneider, rightly. Cf. II 361 C note