Soc.
You certainly did: but nobody asked what was the quality of his art, only what it was, and by what name we ought to call Gorgias. Just as Chaerephon laid out the lines
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for you at first, and you answered him properly in brief words, in the same way you must now state what is that art, and what we ought to call Gorgias; or rather, Gorgias, do you tell us yourself in what art it is you are skilled, and hence, what we ought to call you.
Gorg.
Rhetoric, Socrates.
Soc.
So we are to call you a rhetorician ?
Gorg.
Yes, and a good one, if you would call me what—to use Homer’s phrase—
I vaunt myself to be.
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Soc.
Well, I shall be pleased to do so.
Gorg.
Then call me such.
Soc.
And are we to say that you are able to make others like yourself?
Gorg.
Yes, that is what I profess to do, not only here, but elsewhere also.
Soc.
Then would you be willing, Gorgias, to continue this present way of discussion, by alternate question and answer, and defer to some other time that lengthy style of speech in which Polus made a beginning? Come, be true to your promise, and consent to answer each question briefly.
Gorg.
There are some answers, Socrates, that necessitate a lengthy expression:
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however, I will try to be as brief as possible; for indeed it is one of my claims that no one could express the same thing in briefer terms than myself.
Soc.
That is just what I want, Gorgias: give me a display of this very skill—in brevity of speech; your lengthy style will do another time.
Gorg.
Well, I will do that, and you will admit that you never heard anyone speak more briefly.
Soc.
Come then; since you claim to be skilled in rhetorical art,
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and to be able to make anyone else a rhetorician, tell me with what particular thing rhetoric is concerned: as, for example, weaving is concerned with the manufacture of clothes, is it not?
Gorg.
Yes.
Soc.
And music, likewise, with the making of tunes?
Gorg.
Yes.
Soc.
Upon my word, Gorgias, I do admire your answers! You make them as brief as they well can be.
Gorg.
Yes, Socrates, I consider myself a very fair hand at that.
Soc.
You are right there. Come now, answer me in the same way about rhetoric: with what particular thing is its skill concerned?
Gorg.
With speech.
Soc.
What kind of speech, Gorgias? Do you mean that which shows sick people by what regimen they could get well?
Gorg.
No.
Soc.
Then rhetoric is not concerned with all kinds of speech.
Gorg.
No, I say.
Soc.
Yet it does make men able to speak.
Gorg.
Yes.
Soc.
And to understand also the things about which they speak.
Gorg.
Of course.
Gorgias. Plato. Walter Rangeley Maitland Lamb (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1925.
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