295a
Soc.
Now, to us the thing seemed incredible: then Euthydemus said:
You do not believe it, Socrates?
I will only say, I replied, that you must indeed be clever.
Why, he said, if you will consent to answer me, I will propound that you too admit these surprising facts.
Oh, I am only too glad, I replied, to be refuted in the matter. For if I am not aware of my own cleverness, and you are going to show me that I know everything always, what greater stroke of luck than this could befall me in all my living days?
Then answer me, he said.
Ask: I am ready to answer. 295b
Well then, Socrates, he asked, have you knowledge of something, or not?
I have.
And tell me, do you know with that whereby you have knowledge, or with something else?
With that whereby I have knowledge: I think you mean the soul, or is not that your meaning?
Are you not ashamed, Socrates, he said, to ask a question on your side when you are being questioned?
Very well, I said: but how am I to proceed? I will do just as you bid me. When I cannot tell what you are asking, is it your order that I answer all the same, without asking a question upon it?
Why, he replied, you surely conceive 295c some meaning in what I say?
I do, I replied.
Answer then to the meaning you conceive to be in my words.
Well, I said, if you ask a question with a different meaning in your mind from that which I conceive, and I answer to the latter, are you content I should answer nothing to the point?
For my part, he replied, I shall be content: you, however, will not, so far as I can see.
Then I declare I shall not answer, I said, before I get it right.
You refuse to answer, he said, to the meaning you conceive in each case, 295d because you will go on driveling, you hopeless old dotard!
Here I perceived he was annoyed with me for distinguishing between the phrases used, when he wanted to entrap me in his verbal snares. So I remembered Connus, how he too is annoyed with me whenever I do not give in to him, with the result that he now takes less trouble over me as being a stupid person. So being minded to take lessons from this new teacher, I decided that I had better give in, lest he should take me for a blockhead and not admit me to his classes. So I said: Well, if you think fit, Euthydemus, 295e to proceed thus, we must do so; in any case I suppose you understand debating better than I do—you are versed in the method, and I am but a layman. Begin your questions, then, over again.
Now, answer me once more, he said: do you know what you know by means of something, or not?
I do, I replied; by means of my soul.
I will only say, I replied, that you must indeed be clever.
Why, he said, if you will consent to answer me, I will propound that you too admit these surprising facts.
Oh, I am only too glad, I replied, to be refuted in the matter. For if I am not aware of my own cleverness, and you are going to show me that I know everything always, what greater stroke of luck than this could befall me in all my living days?
Then answer me, he said.
Ask: I am ready to answer. 295b
Well then, Socrates, he asked, have you knowledge of something, or not?
I have.
And tell me, do you know with that whereby you have knowledge, or with something else?
With that whereby I have knowledge: I think you mean the soul, or is not that your meaning?
Are you not ashamed, Socrates, he said, to ask a question on your side when you are being questioned?
Very well, I said: but how am I to proceed? I will do just as you bid me. When I cannot tell what you are asking, is it your order that I answer all the same, without asking a question upon it?
Why, he replied, you surely conceive 295c some meaning in what I say?
I do, I replied.
Answer then to the meaning you conceive to be in my words.
Well, I said, if you ask a question with a different meaning in your mind from that which I conceive, and I answer to the latter, are you content I should answer nothing to the point?
For my part, he replied, I shall be content: you, however, will not, so far as I can see.
Then I declare I shall not answer, I said, before I get it right.
You refuse to answer, he said, to the meaning you conceive in each case, 295d because you will go on driveling, you hopeless old dotard!
Here I perceived he was annoyed with me for distinguishing between the phrases used, when he wanted to entrap me in his verbal snares. So I remembered Connus, how he too is annoyed with me whenever I do not give in to him, with the result that he now takes less trouble over me as being a stupid person. So being minded to take lessons from this new teacher, I decided that I had better give in, lest he should take me for a blockhead and not admit me to his classes. So I said: Well, if you think fit, Euthydemus, 295e to proceed thus, we must do so; in any case I suppose you understand debating better than I do—you are versed in the method, and I am but a layman. Begin your questions, then, over again.
Now, answer me once more, he said: do you know what you know by means of something, or not?
I do, I replied; by means of my soul.
Euthydemus. Plato. Walter Rangeley Maitland Lamb (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1924.
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