Aristophanes, Clouds, 1067

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Just Argument: And Peleus married Thetis, for her being moderate.

Unjust Speech: And then, having abandoned him, she went away; for she was not a wrongdoer.

Unjust Speech: and not sweet to spend the night in bed keeping vigil;

Unjust Speech: and a woman, when she is being made pregnant, rejoices; but you are Cronippos.

1070

Unjust Argument: Consider, boy, indeed, in being sensible everything.

Unjust Speech: it is possible, and the pleasures of which you are about to be deprived,

Unjust Speech: the games of boys, women, knucklebones, food, drinks, and dice.

Unjust Argument: And yet, what is there worth living for, if you are deprived of these things?

Unjust Argument: All right. I will depart from here to the necessities of nature.

1075

Unjust Speech: you sinned, you fell in love, you committed adultery with someone, and then you were caught;

Unjust Speech: You are destroyed, for you are unable to speak. And conversing with me...

Unjust Logos: use nature, jump, laugh, think that nothing is shameful.

Unjust Argument: for if you are caught as an adulterer, you will say these things to him,

Unjust Argument: since you have wronged nothing; then bring it back to Zeus,

1080

Unjust Argument: and that one too is overcome by love and women;

Unjust Speech: And yet, being a mortal, how could you possibly be stronger than I?

Just Argument: but what was it, if, having obeyed you, he was rubbed with a radish and brought in ash,

Just Argument: 'Shall I have some thought to say that it is not to be broad-arsed?'

Unjust Speech: If he has a wide buttocks, what bad thing will he suffer?

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Νεφέλαι Perseus (Aristophanes. Aristophanis Comoediae, Vol. 1. Hall, F. W. and Geldart, William M., editors. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1906.) — 1105-1112 focus

Σωκράτης

τί δῆτα; πότερα τοῦτον ἀπάγεσθαι λαβὼν
1105

βούλει τὸν υἱόν, ἢ διδάσκω σοι λέγειν;

Στρεψιάδης

δίδασκε καὶ κόλαζε καὶ μέμνησʼ ὅπως

εὖ μοι στομώσεις αὐτόν, ἐπὶ μὲν θάτερα

οἷον δικιδίοις, τὴν δʼ ἑτέραν αὐτοῦ γνάθον

στόμωσον οἵαν ἐς τὰ μείζω πράγματα.
1110

Σωκράτης

ἀμέλει κομιεῖ τοῦτον σοφιστὴν δεξιόν.

Φειδιππίδης

ὠχρὸν μὲν οὖν οἶμαί γε καὶ κακοδαίμονα.

Translations (1)

Clouds Perseus (Aristophanes. The Comedies of Aristophanes, Vol. I. Hickie, William James, translator. Bohn: London, 1853.) — 1067 focus

Just Cause.

And Peleus married Thetis, too, through his modesty.

Unjust Cause.

And then she went off and left him; for he was not lustful, nor an agreeable bedfellow to spend the night with.

Now a woman delights in being wantonly treated. But you are an old dotard. For (to Phidippides). consider, O youth, all that attaches to modesty, and of how many pleasures you are about to be deprived—of women, of games at cottabus, of dainties, of drinking-bouts, of giggling. And yet, what is life worth to you if you be deprived of these enjoyments?
1070

Well, I will pass from thence to the necessities of our nature. You have gone astray, you have fallen in love, you have been guilty of some adultery, and then have been caught. You are undone, for you are unable to speak. But if you associate with me, indulge your inclination, dance, laugh, and think nothing disgraceful. For if you should happen to be detected as an adulterer, you will make this reply to him,
1075

that you have done him no injury: and then refer him to Jupiter, how even he is overcome by love and women . And yet, how could you, who are a mortal, have greater power than a god?
1080

Just Cause.

But what if he should suffer the radish through obeying you, and be depillated with hot ashes? What argument will he be able to state, to prove that he is not a blackguard?

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Σωκράτης

τί δῆτα; πότερα τοῦτον ἀπάγεσθαι λαβὼν
1105

βούλει τὸν υἱόν, ἢ διδάσκω σοι λέγειν;

Σωκράτης

ἀμέλει κομιεῖ τοῦτον σοφιστὴν δεξιόν.

Φειδιππίδης

ὠχρὸν μὲν οὖν οἶμαί γε καὶ κακοδαίμονα.

Just Cause.

And Peleus married Thetis, too, through his modesty.

Just Cause.

But what if he should suffer the radish through obeying you, and be depillated with hot ashes? What argument will he be able to state, to prove that he is not a blackguard?

Unjust Cause.

And if he be a blackguard, what harm will he suffer?
1085

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Σωκράτης τί δῆτα; πότερα τοῦτον ἀπάγεσθαι λαβὼν 1105 βούλει τὸν υἱόν, ἢ διδάσκω σοι λέγειν;

Σωκράτης ἀμέλει κομιεῖ τοῦτον σοφιστὴν δεξιόν.

Φειδιππίδης ὠχρὸν μὲν οὖν οἶμαί γε καὶ κακοδαίμονα.

Just Cause. And Peleus married Thetis, too, through his modesty.

Just Cause. But what if he should suffer the radish through obeying you, and be depillated with hot ashes? What argument will he be able to state, to prove that he is not a blackguard?

Unjust Cause. And if he be a blackguard, what harm will he suffer? 1085

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Σωκράτης

τί δῆτα; πότερα τοῦτον ἀπάγεσθαι λαβὼν
1105

βούλει τὸν υἱόν, ἢ διδάσκω σοι λέγειν;

Σωκράτης

ἀμέλει κομιεῖ τοῦτον σοφιστὴν δεξιόν.

Φειδιππίδης

ὠχρὸν μὲν οὖν οἶμαί γε καὶ κακοδαίμονα.

Just Cause.

And Peleus married Thetis, too, through his modesty.

Just Cause.

But what if he should suffer the radish through obeying you, and be depillated with hot ashes? What argument will he be able to state, to prove that he is not a blackguard?

Unjust Cause.

And if he be a blackguard, what harm will he suffer?
1085