Aristophanes Clouds 575

ed. F. W. Hall, ed. William M. Geldart

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Clouds. Aristophanes. ed. F. W. Hall, ed. William M. Geldart. Oxford. 1906.

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Νεφέλαι (Greek) (Aristophanes. Aristophanis Comoediae, Vol. 1. Hall, F. W. and Geldart, William M., editors. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1906.)

Translations (2)
Clouds Perseus (Aristophanes. The Comedies of Aristophanes, Vol. I. Hickie, William James, translator. Bohn: London, 1853.) — 575 focus
English (Sanjaya, generated; selected passages) (OCR draft) Experimental (Source: pnadelofficial/aristophanes-sanjaya, commit c319590c139e5603e71f0699caa0663d823af8ad. Machine-generated source annotations retained; see Sanjaya import audit for coverage and limitations.) — 575 focus

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τῇδε τῇ πόλει προσεῖναι, ταῦτα μέντοι τοὺς θεοὺς
The sentence presents a crux regarding the syntactic construction of the infinitive phrase 'προσεῖναι' with the dative 'τῇδε τῇ πόλει'. While the dative of advantage is standard, the specific verbal construction here, coupled with the abrupt particle 'μέντοι' and the ellipsis of the main verb or subject (likely 'δοκεῖ' or 'ἐστίν' implied from the preceding context of the Clouds' speech), creates a syntactic ambiguity characteristic of Aristophanic colloquialism. The phrase functions as a gnomic or rhetorical assertion where the 'μέντοι' introduces a concessive or adversative turn that is syntactically loose, suggesting the speaker is interrupting a formal argument to pivot to divine will, a feature often debated in the transmission of the text where some editors emend the case of 'πόλει' or the position of 'μέντοι' to clarify the intended logical relationship.