Homer Iliad 15.113

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Stern Mars, with anguish for his slaughter'd son,
Smote his rebelling breast, and fierce begun:
'Thus then, immortals! thus shall Mars obey?
'Forgive me, gods, and yield my vengeance way:
'Descending first to yon forbidden plain,
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'The god of battles dares avenge the slain;
'Dares, though the thunder bursting o'er my head
'Should hurl me blazing on those heaps of dead.'

Iliad. Homer. London. 1863.

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English (Alexander Pope, 1720, ed. Watson, 1857) (OCR draft) (English) (English (Alexander Pope, 1720, ed. Watson, 1857))

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Editions (1)
Ἰλιάς Perseus (Homer. Homeri Opera, Volumes 1-2. Monro, D. B. (David Binning), editor; Allen, Thomas W. (Thomas William), editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1908-1920.) — 15.113 focus
Translations (8)
Iliad Perseus (Homer. The Iliad, Volume 1-2. Murray, A. T. (Augustus Taber), translator. London: William Heinmann; New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1924-1925.) — 15.113 focus
Iliad Perseus (Homer. The Iliad of Homer, rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original. Butler, Samuel, 1835-1902, translator. London: Longmans, Green, and Co, 1898.) — 15.113 focus
English (Butler, rev. Nagy et al., 2020) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Butler, rev. Nagy et al., 2020)) — 15.113 focus
When he heard this Arēs smote his two sturdy thighs with the flat of his hands, and said in anger, [115] “Do not blame me, you gods that dwell in the heavens, if I go to the ships of the Achaeans and avenge the death of my son, even though it end in my being struck by Zeus’ lightning and lying in blood and dust among the corpses.”
English (William Cullen Bryant, 1870) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (William Cullen Bryant, 1870)) — 15.113 focus
English (Thomas Hobbes, 1667, ed. Molesworth 1843) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Thomas Hobbes, 1667, ed. Molesworth 1843)) — 15.113 focus
English (George Chapman, 1611, ed. Hooper 1857) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (George Chapman, 1611, ed. Hooper 1857)) — 15.113 focus
English (William Cowper, 1791, ed. Southey) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (William Cowper, 1791, ed. Southey)) — 15.113 focus
English (F. W. Newman, 1856) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (F. W. Newman, 1856)) — 15 focus

Notes on the current edition

Iliad

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This couplet is, as Wakefield observes, so obscure as to be nearly unintelligible. The original is, "It would be difficult to save (from death) the race and offspring of all men." Cowper gives,
—Gods themselves must yield
Their human offspring to the stroke of fate.

New Alexandria Commentaries

Gregory Nagy

The climax of the fighting in the Iliad is now approaching. Patroklos is about to enter the war, and the Will of Zeus is about to be fulfilled.

draft js image errorAjax defending the ships of the Greeks. After a drawing by John Flaxman. Image via Wikimedia Commons.

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The three-way division of the cosmos among the sons of Kronos is an example of various models of tripartition as studied in later comments.

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The ships of the Achaeans are beached along the shores of the bay of the Hellespont. See especially the comment on I.08.220–227.

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As foretold at I.15.059–060, the god Apollo is engaged here in the act of en-pneîn ‘breathing into’ the hero Hector something called menos ‘mental power’, I.15.262. To be compared is the intervention of the goddess Athena, earlier at I.10.482. Now too, at I.15.262, such ‘mental power’ makes the hero aware of his physical power and thus energizes him to perform heroic deeds.

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Leonard Muellner

interpretation of kathaptein as “get hold of, grab” and so “restrain”

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comment on persons incurring mēnis as said to lack noos in the context of analyzing I.03.132-136

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Athena’s calming of Ares to avoid an even greater mēnis from Zeus

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mēnis and hierarchy – here between Zeus and Poseidon

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mēnis and hierarchy – here between Zeus and Poseidon

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comparison of Zeus’ threat to Poseidon with Agamemnon’s to Achilles in terms of similarity of language (in the context of analyzing Agamemnon’s basing his mēnis on Apollo’s and Zeus’)

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in a list of instances where phanai substitutes for eukhesthai where it is combined with comparative/superlative

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comparison of Agamemnon’s and Zeus’ claims to superiority vis-à-vis Achilles and Poseidon (being older in birth)

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mēnis and hierarchy – here between Zeus and Poseidon

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mēnis and hierarchy – here between Zeus and Poseidon

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mēnis and hierarchy – here between Zeus and Poseidon

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in the discussion of the rationale of the classification of the attestations of eukhesthai + dative

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mēnis and hierarchy – here between Zeus and Poseidon

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comparison of Poseidon and Achilles in the first giving in and the second not giving in to Zeus and Agamemnon, respectively (hupeikein)

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mēnis and hierarchy – here between Zeus, Poseidon and Hades (timē)

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mēnis and hierarchy – here between Zeus, Poseidon and Hades (timē)

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mēnis and hierarchy – here between Zeus, Poseidon and Hades (timē)

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the grief (akhos) of Poseidon and Achilles at the disregard of their equal status in the community and the abuse of the communal division as analogous

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mēnis and hierarchy, here between Zeus, Poseidon and Hades (timē) vs. between Zeus and his own children

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the grief (akhos) of Poseidon and Achilles at the disregard of their equal status in the community and the abuse of the communal division as analogous

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comparison of Poseidon and Achilles in the first giving in and the second not giving in to Zeus and Agamemnon, respectively (hupeikein)

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comparison of Poseidon and Achilles in the first giving in and the second not giving in to Zeus and Agamemnon, respectively (hupeikein)

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the diction used to express the mēnis theme in the relationship between Zeus and Poseidon (in the context of analyzing the parallelism of Poseidon and Achilles)

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the grief (akhos) of Poseidon and Achilles at the disregard of their equal status in the community and the abuse of the communal division as analogous

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the diction used to express the mēnis theme in the relationship between Zeus and Poseidon (in the context of analyzing the parallelism of Poseidon and Achilles)

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comparison of Greek formulas for asking a person’s identity with Avestan and Indic parallels, as well as genos eukhesthai einai formulas

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comparison of Greek formulas for asking a person’s identity with Avestan and Indic parallels, as well as genos eukhesthai einai formulas

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Richard Martin

Iris tells Poseidon she will bring his declaration of status (muthos, 15.202) back to Zeus, then asks whether he will not reconsider, adding a gnomic caution: "Pliable are the minds of fine people. You know how the Erinyes always follow elders" (15.203-4). Poseidon replies, "Iris, you have in proportion (kata moiran) spoken this epos"—he refers to the gnomic utterance, not to the description of what Iris intends, as becomes clear from his next line, a capping gnomic verse: "It is also fine when a messenger knows suitable things (aisima)." Many of the discourses labeled with the term epos center around a gnomic one- or two-line utterance (Martin 1993:42).

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