Homer Iliad 2.581

ed. David B. Monro, ed. Thomas W. Allen

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Iliad. Homer. ed. David B. Monro, ed. Thomas W. Allen. Oxford. 1908-1920.

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Ἰλιάς (Greek) (Homer. Homeri Opera, Volumes 1-2. Monro, D. B. (David Binning), editor; Allen, Thomas W. (Thomas William), editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1908-1920.)

Translations (9)
Iliad Perseus (Homer. The Iliad, Volume 1-2. Murray, A. T. (Augustus Taber), translator. London: William Heinmann; New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1924-1925.) — 2.581 focus
Iliad Perseus (Homer. The Iliad of Homer, rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original. Butler, Samuel, 1835-1902, translator. London: Longmans, Green, and Co, 1898.) — 2.600 focus
English (Butler, rev. Nagy et al., 2020) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Butler, rev. Nagy et al., 2020)) — 2.581 focus
And those that dwelt in Lacedaemon, lying low among the hills, Pharis, Sparta, with Messe, the haunt of doves; Bryseai, lovely Augeiai, Amyklai, and Helos upon the sea; [585] Laas, moreover, and Oitylos; these were led by Menelaos of the loud battle-cry, brother to Agamemnon, and of them there were sixty ships, drawn up apart from the others. Among them went Menelaos himself, strong in zeal, urging his men to fight; for he longed to [590] avenge the toil and sorrow that he had suffered for the sake of Helen.
English (William Cullen Bryant, 1870) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (William Cullen Bryant, 1870)) — 2.581 focus
English (Alexander Pope, 1720, ed. Watson, 1857) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Alexander Pope, 1720, ed. Watson, 1857)) — 2.581 focus
His brother follows, and to vengeance warms
The hardy Spartans, exercis'd in arms:
English (Thomas Hobbes, 1667, ed. Molesworth 1843) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Thomas Hobbes, 1667, ed. Molesworth 1843)) — 2.581 focus
English (George Chapman, 1611, ed. Hooper 1857) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (George Chapman, 1611, ed. Hooper 1857)) — 2.581 focus
English (William Cowper, 1791, ed. Southey) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (William Cowper, 1791, ed. Southey)) — 2.581 focus
English (F. W. Newman, 1856) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (F. W. Newman, 1856)) — 2 focus

New Alexandria Commentaries

Douglas Frame

comparison of the geography in I.11.722-736 with that in the passage (esp. regarding the Minyan river, Arene, and Thryon)

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comparison of the geography in Hom. Hymn to Apollo 418424 with that in the passage (esp. regarding the Alpheios river)

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comparison of the geography in I.11.711-713 with that in the line (esp. regarding the identification of Thryoessa and Thryon in the two passages)

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comparison of the geography in I.11.711 with that in the line (esp. regarding Thryoessa and Thryon in the two passages)

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analysis of the Hom. Hymns’ quoting the Homeric poems (here, Hom. Hymn to Apollo 423 quoting this line)

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identification of Thryon and Epitalion, and Strabo’s alternative interpretation of the line according to which Epitalion was Aipu and Thryon the ford of Alpheios rather than a town

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analysis of the location of Thryon/identification with Epitalion

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analysis of a pattern violating Hermann’s bridge and this feature in the Hom. Hymn to Apollo’s quoting this line (and contra Richard Martin 2000a)

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identification of Thryoessa of I.11 with Thryon of this line

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analysis of the location of Oichalia (and connections to Makhaon and Podaleirios), in the context of the analysis of Thessaly’s and Messenia’s claims to be Makhaon’s homeland

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Gregory Nagy

The narrative of Rhapsody 2 now follows up on the dire consequences of the quarrel between Achilles and Agamemnon as narrated in Rhapsody 1. Achilles has already withdrawn from the war because of his anger. So, now that this greatest hero of the Achaeans is out of the picture, what will happen next? How will the absence of Achilles affect the story of the Trojan War? Many new doubts and fears set in, and the resolve of the Achaeans is harshly tested. There is negative talk, and there are omens. Thus the story of the Trojan War, as told and retold countless times in the distant past, must now be retold yet again, and Rhapsody 2 will set the terms for the retelling still to come. For setting the terms, Rhapsody 2 will need a new Catalogue of Ships, now happening in the tenth year of the war, as a replacement for any old Catalogue that would have logically happened already in the first year. This new Catalogue is of course not really new: rather, it is the oldest possible Catalogue that is now being renewed for the newest possible retelling of the Trojan War, reconsidered in the glaring light of the grim consequences facing the Achaeans now that Achilles has withdrawn from the war. With these consequences in view, the Catalogue will reassess all the Achaean heroes involved in the Trojan War. Of special interest will be the role of Protesilaos, who had been the first Achaean to die in the war, as a model for Achilles. As the Master Narrator notes most ruefully, Protesilaos is now terribly missed by his fellow warriors. So too will Achilles be missed.

draft js image errorOn the reverse side of the coin: Inscription: ΘΗΒΑΙΩΝ. Pictured: the Greek hero Protesilaos, the first Achaean to step on Trojan soil and, according to the myth, the first to die in the Trojan War. The myth is retold in Iliad 2.695–709.

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This negative encounter between Thamyris and the Muses in the Iliad is to be contrasted with the positive encounter between Homer and the Delian Maidens in the Homeric Hymn to Apollo.

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Leonard Muellner

in a list of usages contextually parallel to the death-eukhesthai usage

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in a list of secular eukhesthai reporting speech (absolute usage)

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Richard Martin

The story of Thamyris returning from Oikhalia when he loses his poetic craft at the hands of the Muses (2.594-600) is the primary basis for a belief that early Greek poetry was composed under agonistic conditions. The detail that Thamyris is returning from Oikhalia is significant: this place, the city of Eurytus, has important connections in myth and poetry, for it is the city which Herakles sacked in anger after being refused the king's daughter, Iole. The exploit was commemorated in an epic, the Oikhalias Halosis, ascribed by some ancient sources to Homer. Walter Burkert has shown that this lost poem shares with the Iliad a focus on a tragic episode in the hero's life involving a woman and leading soon to the hero's death, and that both omit description of the hero's immortality and dwell instead on the tragic quality of the impending deaths. When Homer says that a poet returning from Oikhalia was deprived of his art, he can hardly be more explicit: this is a claim that the Herakles tradition is faulty, that it suffered a break in historical transmission from the event itself. By contrast, Homer in Book 2 makes clear that his narrative has continuity with the past guaranteed by his own contact with the Muses (2.484-86). Although the story of Thamyris is on the surface about an agon between singers, it is also a statement about the agon between Homer and previous singers (Martin 1993:229-30).

For Achilles' quantitative surpassing of Herakles within the poem, see the comment on Iliad 9.328-329.

References

Martin, R. P. 1993. The Language of Heroes: Speech and Performance in the Iliad. Ithaca.

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