Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, ed. Henry Stuart Jones, 5.88.1

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εἰκὸς μὲν καὶ ξυγγνώμη ἐν τῷ τοιῷδε καθεστῶτας ἐπὶ πολλὰ καὶ λέγοντας καὶ δοκοῦντας τρέπεσθαι· ἡ μέντοι ξύνοδος καὶ περὶ σωτηρίας ἥδε πάρεστι, καὶ ὁ λόγος ᾧ προκαλεῖσθε τρόπῳ, εἰ δοκεῖ, γιγνέσθω.

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. ed. Henry Stuart Jones. Oxford. 1910.

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Ἱστορίαι (Greek) (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).)

Translations (10)

The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 5.88.1 focus

[1] Mel. It is reason, and pardonable for men in our cases, to turn both their words and thoughts upon divers things. Howsoever, this consultation being held only upon the point of our safety, we are content, if you think good, to go on with the course you have propounded.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 5.88.1 focus

‘It is natural and excusable for men in our position to turn more ways than one both in thought and utterance. However, the question in this conference is, as you say, the safety of our country; and the discussion, if you please, can proceed in the way which you propose.’

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.) — 5.88 focus

Melier: „Wenn man unter Umständen, wie die unsrigen
jetzt sind, sich in Worten und Gedanken vielfach zu wenden und. zu
drehen sucht, so ist das wohl natürlich und verzeihlich. Diese
Zusammenkunst, ist aber.in der That auch unserer Rettung wegen
geschehen, und die Unterredung möge, wenn es euch beliebt, auf die Art
vor sich gehen? wie ihr vorschlagt." ' - - .s

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.) — 5.88 focus

Melier: „Es ist begreiflich, und ihr dürft es unS nicht
verargen, wenn wir in unserer Lage auf mancherlei Reden
und Meinungen verfallen. Jedenfalls sind in dieser Zusammen
kunft auch die zur Sicherung unseres Landes gebotenen Schritte
zu erörtern. Darum laßt unS, wenn es euch recht ist, in der
von euch vorgeshclagenen Weise weiterverhandeln."

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 5.88 focus

LXXXVIII. L es M éliens. « Il est naturel et pardonnable, dans une telle situation, de laisser la parole et la pensée tenter toutes les voies; mais, puisque l’objet de cette conférence est de pourvoir à notre salut, que la discussion ait lieu, s’il vous convient, suivant le mode que vous avez proposé.

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 5.88 focus

Les Méliens. Il est naturel et pardonnable, dans la situation où nous sommes, de s’écarter parfois, et en pfensée et en paroles, de la question proposée. Nous reconnaissons que cette réunion a pour objet notre salut. Rien ne s’oppose donc à ce que la discussion reste dans les termes où vous voulez la maintenir.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 5.88.1 focus

[1] MEL. “It is natural and pardonable for men in such a position as ours to resort to many arguments and many suppositions. This conference, however, is here to consider the question of our safety; so let the discussion, if it please you, proceed in the way that you propose.”

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 5.88.1 focus

[1] Mel.

It is but natural and pardonable for men so circumstanced to have recourse to many things, both in thinking and speaking. However, this our meeting is held with a view to our preservation; and let the discussion proceed, if you please, in the way which you propose.

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 5.88.1 focus

[1] Mel. Rationi quidem consentaneum venia-que dignum est, homines, qui in hujusmodi rerum statu sunt constituti, in varias partes se et dicendo et opiuando convertere; hic tamen conventus et de salute institutus est et colloquium eo modo, quo postulatis, si placet, fiat.

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 5.88 focus

Melii. « Egli è naturale e da compatire se ridotti a tal termine ci rivolgiamo a molti oggetti colle parole e col pensiero. Nondimeno quest’assemblea è qui presente per la salvezza della patria ; e , se vi piace, tengasi parola nel modo che c’ invitate ».

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 5.88.1

ed. Henry Stuart Jones

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