Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, Adolf Wahrmund (Translator), 5.97

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Athener: „Sie. glauben wohl, daß Keiner von Beiden
weniger Rechtsgründe habe als der Andere; wenn aber Einer sein?
Unabhängigkeit wahrt, so denken sie,, daß er es nur seiner-Macht zu
danken hat-und daß wir ihm nur aus Furcht nicht zu Leibe gehen.
Wenn ihr euch also uns unterwerft, so, vermehrt ihr einmal die Zahl
unserer Unterthanen, und gewährt uns auch größere Sicherheit, zu-:
mal wir eine Seemacht sind, und ihr Inselbewohner und schwächer
als Andere seid — es mußte denn sein, daß ihr den-Sieg
davon-trüget!"

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Adolf Wahrmund (Translator). Stuttgart. 1864.

Current edition First1KGreek

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs (German) (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.)

Editions (1)

Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 5.97.1 focus

ΑΘ.

δικαιώματι γὰρ οὐδετέρους ἐλλείπειν ἡγοῦνται, κατὰ δύναμιν δὲ τοὺς μὲν περιγίγνεσθαι, ἡμᾶς δὲ φόβῳ οὐκ ἐπιέναι· ὥστε ἔξω καὶ τοῦ πλεόνων ἄρξαι καὶ τὸ ἀσφαλὲς ἡμῖν διὰ τὸ καταστραφῆναι ἂν παράσχοιτε, ἄλλως τε καὶ νησιῶται ναυκρατόρων καὶ ἀσθενέστεροι ἑτέρων ὄντες εἰ μὴ περιγένοισθε.

Translations (9)

The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 5.97.1 focus

[1] Ath. Why not? For they think they have reason on their side, both the one sort and the other, and that such as are subdued are subdued by force, and such as are forborne are so through our fear. So that by subduing you, besides the extending of our dominion over so many more subjects, we shall assure it the more over those we had before, especially being masters of the sea, and you islanders, and weaker (except you can get the victory) than others whom we have subdued already.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 5.97.1 focus

‘As far as right goes they think one has as much of it as the other, and that if any maintain their independence it is because they are strong, and that if we do not molest them it is because we are afraid; so that besides extending our empire we should gain in security by your subjection; the fact that you are islanders and weaker than others rendering it all the more important that you should not succeed in baffling the masters of the sea.’

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.) — 5.97 focus

Athener: „An Rechtsgründen würde es ihrer Meinung
nach den einen so wenig wie den anderen fehlen; aber sie
glauben, daß jene es nur ihrer Macht verdanken, wenn sie frei
bleiben, und daß wir uns fürchten, sie anzugreifen. Eure
Unterwerfung würde also nicht nur zur Erweiterung unserer
Macht, sondern auch zur Sicherung unserer Herrschaft beitragen,
zumal es ein schlechtes Zeichen wäre, wenn wir, die Beherrscher
der See, ein verhältnismäßig schwaches Jnselvolk wie euch
nicht zwingen könnten."

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 5.97 focus

XCVII L es A théniens. « Ils pensent que le droit ne manque ni aux uns ni aux autres¹, et que si ceux-là² sont restés indépendants, c’est grâce à leur puissance, la crainte nous empêchant de les attaquer. Votre soumission, outre qu’elle accroîtra le. nombre de nos sujets, sera donc pour nous une nouvelle cause de sécurité³; d’ailleurs votre condition d’insulaires en face d’une puissance maritime prépondérante, et votre faiblesse relative⁴, nous permettent d’autant moins de vous laisser cette indépendance.

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 5.97 focus

Les Athéniens. Ils pensent que ni les uns ni les antres ne manquent d’arguments plausibles; mais que ceux qui se conservent le doivent à leur puissance et à la crainte qui nous empêche de les attaquer. Aussi, en vous subjuguant, non-seulement nous augmenterons le nombre de nos sujets, mais encore nous assurerons notre sécurité; d’autant plus qu’insulaires et moins puissants que d’autres, vous ne sauriez tenir tête aux dominateurs des mers.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 5.97.1 focus

[1] ATH. “As to pleas of justice, they think that neither the one nor the other lacks them, but that those who preserve their freedom owe it to their power, and that we do not attack them because we are afraid. So that, to say nothing of our enlarging our empire, you would afford us security by being subdued, especially if you, an insular power, and weaker than other islanders, should fail to show yourselves superior to a power which is master of the sea.”

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 5.97.1 focus

[1] Ath.

Why, for an argument resting on justice they think that neither of us are at a loss; but that on the ground of their power they escape, and we, through fear, abstain from attacking them. So that, besides our ruling over more subjects, you would also through your subjection confer security upon us; especially by the fact that you who are islanders, and weaker too than some others, did not escape our dominion, who have the command of the sea.

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 5.97.1 focus

[1] Ath. Neutris enim deesse putant rationes, quibus suam causam tueantur, sed illos quidem, propter potentiam liberos manere, nos vero, prae metu illos non aggredi; quare praeterquam quod imperium iu plures obtinebimus, incolumitatem etiam majorem nobis praebebitis, si subacti fueritis, praesertim quum sitis insulani, et aliis infirmiores, si maris dominis non superiores evadatis.

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 5.97 focus

Aten, « Sì ; perchè delle giustificazioni credono che non ne manchi a nissun de’ due, e che però qm che si reggono lo debbano alla forza, e che noi non gli assaltiamo per paura. Onde, essendoci voi sottomessi, oltre al dar nuovi sudditi all' impero ci procurerete anche sicurezza ; tanto più se voi isolani, e non già più deboli degli altri, non riusciate a vincere noi padroni de) mare ».

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 5.97

Adolf Wahrmund (Translator)

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