Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, Adolf Wahrmund (Translator), 5.41

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diese Gesandten angekommen waren, unterhandelten
sie-mit'den Lakedämoniern, auf welcbe ^Bedingungen hin'sie einen
Vertrag erhalten könnten. Undczuerst verlangten die-Argiver,.. es
solle'entweder eine Stadt 'oder ein einzelner Mann einen
shciedsrichterlichen Spruch -in Betreff der Landschaft Kynuria fällen; wegen
deren'sie' immer'? hadern; es ist dieß das Gränzgebiet zwischen
beiden Staaten, mit den Städten Thyrea und Antbene, und die
Nutztileßüisg'davon haben die LakedänioNier. > Da" diese-aber-nicht
erlauben-wollten, daß der Sache auch nur Erwähnung geschehe, jedoch
sich "bereit erklärten/ unter den früheren Bedingungen'den Vertrag zu
erneuern, wenn es ihnen genehm sei, so vermochten die Argivischen
Gesandten'gleichwohl die Lakedämonier zu folgendem Zugeständnis
Für' jetzt solle ein fünfzigjähriger Friede geschlossen werden, es solle
aber beiden-Theilen frei stehen, zu'einer Zeit, wo weder Seuche noch
Krieg in Lakedämon und Argos herrsche, den andern herauszufordern,
um über den Besitz jenes Landstriches die Waffen entscheiden zu lassen,
Wie schon früher einmal geschehen sei,' wo-aber beide Theile sich den
Sieg zuschrieben-35); es solle aber dann nicht erlaubt sein einander
tveitel' als' bis zu" den'Gränzen °-von'->ArgoS und Lakedämon zu
verfolgen.' Den'Lakedämoniern erschien dieser Vorschlag-zwar Anfangs
als Verrücktheit, dann aber — weil sie auf jede Weise mit Argos
Frieders haben wollten — fügten'sie sich der Forderung und faßten
den Vertrag schriftlich ab. Doch bevor er rechtskräftig würde, hießen
siegle Gesandten nach Haus zurükckehren und ihn der
Volksversammlung vorlegen, und wenn die zustimme) so sollten sie zum Fest der
Hyakinthien wiederkommen, um die Eide zu leisten.' So reisten
denn jene ab. ^ -

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Adolf Wahrmund (Translator). Stuttgart. 1864.

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Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs (German) (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.)

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Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 5.41.1 focus

[1] καὶ οἱ πρέσβεις ἀφικόμενοι αὐτῶν λόγους ἐποιοῦντο πρὸς τοὺς Λακεδαιμονίους ἐφ’ ᾧ ἂν σφίσιν αἱ σπονδαὶ γίγνοιντο.

[2] καὶ τὸ μὲν πρῶτον οἱ Ἀργεῖοι ἠξίουν δίκης ἐπιτροπὴν σφίσι γενέσθαι ἢ ἐς πόλιν τινὰ ἢ ἰδιώτην περὶ τῆς Κυνουρίας γῆς, ἧς αἰεὶ πέρι διαφέρονται μεθορίας οὔσης (ἔχει δὲ ἐν αὑτῇ Θυρέαν καὶ Ἀνθήνην πόλιν, νέμονται δ’ αὐτὴν Λακεδαιμόνιοι)· ἔπειτα δ’ οὐκ ἐώντων Λακεδαιμονίων μεμνῆσθαι περὶ αὐτῆς, ἀλλ᾽, εἰ βούλονται σπένδεσθαι ὥσπερ πρότερον, ἑτοῖμοι εἶναι, οἱ Ἀργεῖοι πρέσβεις τάδε ὅμως ἐπηγάγοντο τοὺς Λακεδαιμονίους ξυγχωρῆσαι, ἐν μὲν τῷ παρόντι σπονδὰς ποιήσασθαι ἔτη πεντήκοντα, ἐξεῖναι δ᾽ ὁποτεροισοῦν προκαλεσαμένοις, μήτε νόσου οὔσης μήτε πολέμου Λακεδαίμονι καὶ Ἄργει, διαμάχεσθαι περὶ τῆς γῆς ταύτης, ὥσπερ καὶ πρότερόν ποτε ὅτε αὐτοὶ ἑκάτεροι ἠξίωσαν νικᾶν, διώκειν δὲ μὴ ἐξεῖναι περαιτέρω τῶν πρὸς Ἄργος καὶ Λακεδαίμονα ὅρων.

[3] τοῖς δὲ Λακεδαιμονίοις τὸ μὲν πρῶτον ἐδόκει μωρία εἶναι ταῦτα, ἔπειτα (ἐπεθύμουν γὰρ τὸ Ἄργος πάντως φίλιον ἔχειν) ξυνεχώρησαν ἐφ’ οἷς ἠξίουν καὶ ξυνεγράψαντο. ἐκέλευον δ᾽ οἱ Λακεδαιμόνιοι, πρὶν τέλος τι αὐτῶν ἔχειν, ἐς τὸ Ἄργος πρῶτον ἐπαναχωρήσαντας αὐτοὺς δεῖξαι τῷ πλήθει, καὶ ἢν ἀρέσκοντα ᾖ, ἥκειν ἐς τὰ Ὑακίνθια τοὺς ὅρκους ποιησομένους. καὶ οἱ μὲν ἀνεχώρησαν·

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The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 5.41.1 focus

[1] When these ambassadors were there, they fell to treat of the articles upon which the agreement should be made.

[2] And at first the Argives desired to have the matter referred, either to some private man or to some city, concerning the territory of Cynuria, about which they have always differed, as lying on the borders of them both (it containeth the cities of Thyrea and Anthena, and is possessed by the Lacedaemonians). But afterwards, the Lacedaemonians not suffering mention to be made of that, but that if they would have the truce go on as it did before, they might, the Argive ambassadors got them to yield to this: that for the present an accord should be made for fifty years; but withal, that it should be lawful nevertheless, if one challenged the other thereunto, both for Lacedaemon and Argos to try their titles to this territory by battle, so that there were in neither city a plague nor a war to excuse them (as once before they had done, when, as both sides thought, they had the victory); and that it should not be lawful for one part to follow the chase of the other further than to the bounds either of Lacedaemon or Argos.

[3] And though this seemed to the Lacedaemonians at first to be but a foolish proposition, yet afterwards, because they desired by all means to have friendship with the Argives, they agreed unto it and put into writing what they required. Howsoever, before the Lacedaemonians would make any full conclusion of the same, they willed them to return first to Argos and to make the people acquainted with it, and then, if it were accepted, to return at the Hyacinthian feast and swear it. So these departed.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 5.41.1 focus

[1] Having reached Lacedaemon , their ambassadors proceeded to negotiate the terms of the proposed treaty.

[2] What the Argives first demanded was that they might be allowed to refer to the arbitration of some state or private person the question of the Cynurian land, a piece of frontier-territory about which they have always been disputing, and which contains the towns of Thyrea and Anthene, and is occupied by the Lacedaemonians. The Lacedaemonians at first said that they could not allow this point to be discussed, but were ready to conclude upon the old terms. Eventually, however, the Argive ambassadors succeeded in obtaining from them this concession:—For the present there was to be a truce for fifty years, but it should be competent for either party, there being neither plague nor war in Lacedaemon or Argos , to give a formal challenge and decide the question of this territory by battle, as on a former occasion, when both sides claimed the victory; pursuit not being allowed beyond the frontier of Argos or Lacedaemon .

[3] The Lacedaemonians at first thought this mere folly; but at last, anxious at any cost to have the friendship of Argos , they agreed to the terms demanded, and reduced them to writing. However, before any of this should become binding, the ambassadors were to return to Argos and communicate with their people, and in the event of their approval, to come at the Feast of the Hyacinthia and take the oaths.
The envoys returned accordingly.

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.) — 5.41 focus

Nach ihrer Ankunft dort verhandelten die Gesandten mit
den Lakedämoniern über die Bedingungen, unter denen das
Bündnis geschlossen werden sollte. Zuerst verlangten die Argeier,
über die Landschaft Kynosuria mit den Städten Thyrea und .
Anthene, jenes von jeher streitige, zurzeit im Besitz der Lake
dämonier befindliche Grenzland, solle einer Stadt oder einem
einzelnen Vertrauensmann die schiedsrihcterliche Entscheidung
übertragen werden. Die Lakedämonier erklärten jedoch von
vornherein, davon könne keine Rede sein; wollten sie aber
einen Frieden wie früher schließen, so seien sie dazu bereit.
Hieraus schlugen die argeiischen Gesandten vor, die Lakedämonier
möchten sich für jetzt wenigstens dazu verstehen, einen Frieden
auf fünfzig Jahre zu schließen, dabei aber beiden Teilen das
Recht vorbehalten, wenn es in Lakedämon und Argos weder
Krieg noch Krankheit gäbe, zu verlangen, daß der Streit über
jene Landschaft durch einen Waffengang ausgetragen werde,
wie schon früher einmal, als sich beide den Sieg zugeschrieben,
bei dem es jedoch keinem gestattet sein solle, den anderen über
die Grenze von Argos und Lakedämon hinaus zu verfolgen.
Die Lakedämonier hielten das anfangs für Torheit; da ihnen
aber zu sehr daran lag, mit Arges auf guten Fuß zu kommen,
nahmen sie ihren Vorschlag dann doch an und faßten den
Vertrag darüber schriftlich ab. Sie verlangten jedoch, bevor
er in Kraft träte, sollten sie sich wieder nach Argos begeben,
um ihn der Volksversammlung vorzulegen, und, wenn diese
zugestimmt, sich zu den Hyakinthien zur Eidesleistung einfinden.

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 5.41 focus

XLI. Les députés, à leur arrivée, entrèrent en conférences avec les Lacédémoniens sur les bases du traité : tout d’abord ils demandèrent qu’on remît à l’arbitrage soit d’une ville, soit d’un particulier, leur éternel différend au sujet de la Cynurie, pays limitrophe entre eux (elle renferme les villes de Thyréa et d'Anthéné, et est au pouvoir des Lacédémoniens). Les Lacédémoniens ne voulurent même pas qu’il fût fait mention de cette contrée; mais ils se déclarèrent prêts à traiter sur les anciennes bases, si les Argiens le voulaient. Cependant les ambassadeurs les amenèrent aux conditions suivantes; il y aurait pour le présent une trêve de cinquante ans; mais chacune des deux parties pourrait, après déclaration préalable, et sauf le cas de peste ou de guerre, soit à Lacédémone, soit à Argos, prendre les armes pour la possession de cette contrée, comme cela avait eu lieu autrefois lorsque de part et d’autre on s’était attribué la victoire; la poursuite ne pourrait avoir lieu au delà des frontières d’Argos et de Lacédémone. Ces propositions parurent d’abord insensées aux Lacédémoniens; mais ensuite le désir de se concilier à tout prix l’amitié des Argiens leur fit donner les mains à ce qu’on demandait, et le traité fut rédigé; toutefois les Lacédémoniens exigèrent, avant qu’il devînt définitif, que les députés retournassent à Argos le présenter au peuple; s’il était approuvé, ils devaient revenir aux fêtes d’Hyacinthe pour l’échange des serments. Les ambassadeurs se retirèrent.

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 5.41 focus

Dès leur arrivée, ces députés eurent des conférences avec les Lacédémoniens, pour tâoher de se mettre d’accord. Avant tout, ils exigèrent qu’on soumît à l’arbitrage d’une ville ou d’un particulier leur éternel différend au -sujet de la Cynurie. Ce pays, situé entre les deux États, comprend les villes de Thyréa et d'Anthène, et appartient aux Laoédémoniens. Ceux-ci ne voulurent pas entendre parler de cette affaire mais ils offrirent de traiter avec les Argiens aux mêmes termes que précédemment. Toutefois les députée les amenèrent à Souscrire aux dispositions suivantes. On ferait pour le moment une trêve de cinquante ans, pendant la durée de laquelle chacun des deux peuples aurait le droit — moyennant une déclaration préalable et sauf le cas de peste ou die guerre tk Lacédémone ou à Argos — d’en appeler aux armes pour la possession de cette contrée, comme cela s’était pratiqué jadis, lorsque les deux partis s’étaient attribué la victoire¹ ; la poursuite ne pourrait pas s’étendre au delà des limites d’Argos ou de Lacédémone. Les Lacédémoniens voyaient dans cette prétention oie véritable démence ; néanmoins le désir de se concilier à tout prix l'amitié des Argiens les fit passer outre, et le traité fat rédigé. Mais, avant de le ratifier, ils voulurent que les députés retournassent à Argos pour le soumettre au peuple. S’il était approuvé, ils devaient revenir aux Hyacinthies pour l’échange des serments. Les députés se retirèrent.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 5.41.1 focus

[1] On their arrival their envoys made proposals to the Lacedaemonians as to the terms on which the treaty should be concluded.

[2] At first the Argives claimed that they should be allowed to submit to the arbitration of some city or private person the matter of the Cynurian territory—a district containing the towns of Thyrea and Anthene and occupied by the Lacedaemonians—which being border ground they were always disputing about. Afterwards, however, although the Lacedaemonians would not permit them to make mention of that district, but said that, if they wished to make a treaty on the same terms as before, they were ready to do so, the Argive envoys did induce the Lacedaemonians to agree to the following terms: for the present that a treaty should be made for fifty years; that, however, either Lacedaemon or Argos, provided there were at the time neither pestilence nor war in either place, might challenge the other to decide by battle the question about this territory—just as once before,¹ when each had claimed to be victorious—but pursuit must not be made beyond the boundaries, between Argos and Lacedaemon.

[3] At first this seemed to the Lacedaemonians mere folly, but afterwards, as they desired under any circumstances to have Argos friendly to them, they accepted the conditions demanded and joined in a written agreement. But the Lacedaemonians urged the envoys first, before any of the provisions should be regarded as settled, to return to Argos and lay the matter before the people, and then, if it should be satisfactory to them, to come to the Hyacinthian festival and take the oaths. So they withdrew.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 5.41.1 focus

[1] On the arrival of their ambassadors, they made proposals to the Lacedaemonians, as to the terms on which the treaty should be concluded between them.

[2] And at first the Argives claimed that they should have a judicial reference granted them, either to some state or individual, respecting the Cynurian territory; concerning which they have always been debating, as it is border-land: (it contains the towns of Thyrea and Anthene, and is occupied by the Lacedaemonians.) Afterwards, when the Lacedaemonians begged them not to mention that, but said that if they wished to make a treaty as before, they were ready to do so; the Argive ambassadors nevertheless induced the Lacedaemonians to agree to the following conditions: that at the present time they should make a treaty for fifty years; but that on either party giving a challenge, at a time when there was neither plague nor war in Lacedaemon or Argos, they should be at liberty to decide by battle the question of this territory—as on a former occasion, when each side claimed the victory for themselves—but not to pursue the fugitives beyond the frontiers, whether towards Argos or Lacedaemon.

[3] Now the Lacedaemonians at first considered this as mere folly; but afterwards, (for they were anxious on any terms to have Argos for a friend,) they agreed to the conditions they demanded, and made a treaty with them in writing. Before, however, any thing was definitely arranged, the Lacedaemonians desired them to return first to Argos, and show it to their people; and if it pleased them, then to come at the Hyacinthia, to take the oaths. Accordingly they returned.

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 5.41.1 focus

[1] Atque legati eorum profecti sermones habebant cum Lacedaemoniis, quibus conditionibus foedera sibi fieri possent.

[2] Ac primo quidem Argivi postulabant, ut vel civitatis vel privati alicujus airbitrio permitteretur controversia de agro Cynosurio, de quo in confiniis posito semper contendunt (hic autem ager continet Thyream et Antheoam urbem, eumque Lacedaemonii possident); deinde vero quum Lacedaemonii nullam dc eo mentionem fieri sinerent, sed se, si vellent illi foeduft ex pristina formula facere, ad hoc paratos esse dicerent, Argivi legati tamen Lacedaemonios ad haec sibi concedenda induxerunt, ut in poesentia quidem foedus annorum quinquaginta (acerent, quotiescun-que vero utrilibet alteros provocassent, dummodo neque morbo neque bello vel Lacedaemoniorum vel Aigivorum civitas implicita esset, de hoc agro armis decernere liceret, quemadmodum et ante quondam, quum utrique se victores discessisse judicarunt; persequi autem ne liceret ulterios, quam vel ad Argorum vel ad Lacedaemonis terminos.

[3] Lacedaemoniis vero primo quidem haec stultitiae plena esso videbantur; deinde (Argos enim quavis ratione amicum habere cupiebant) assensi sunt iis conditionibus, quibas illi postulabant, et syngrapham fecerunt. Jubebant autem Lacedaemonii legatos, priusquam quicquam eorum ratum fieret, Argos reversos populo ostendere, qui si probasset, tunc vero ad Hyacinthia redirent, ut jusjurandum praestarent. Et illi quidem abierunt;

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 5.41 focus

Pervenuti a Sparta i loro legati entrarono in discorso co’Lacedemoni delle condizioni per ottener l’alleanza. Esigevano gli Argivi a prima giunta che si facesse il compromesso in una città o in un privato per la controversia vertente sul territorio cmurio, sorgente di continui litigi, il quale è posto sul confine e comprende le città di Tirea e di Antene, e lo posseggono i Lacedemoni. Ma i Lacedemoni non vollero che di ciò si facesse menzione; e solo dissero d’esser pronti a rinnuovare, se così piacesse, il trattato ne’ termini di prima. Con tutto ciò i legati di Argo gli indussero a consentire di far per ora una tregua di cinquantanni , col patto però che tanto Sparta che Argo, previa l’intimazione, potessero combattere per quel territorio, tranne il caso di pestilenza o di guerra (siccome tempo fà un’ altra volta convennero quando entrambi pretesero di essere stati vincitori) ; e col patto che non si potesse inseguire il nemico oltre i confini di quel territorio sì verso Sparta che verso Argo. A prima vista la cosa parve ai Lacedemoni una stoltezza; ma poi, siccome bramavano in ogni modo amica Argo , accordaronsi alle condizioni che ei richiedevano, e ne presero scrittura. E prima di ultimar nulla confortarono i legati a tornare ad Argo ed informarne il popolo ; e se tali condizioni piacessero, a ritornare alle feste giacintie per fare il giuramento. E quelli partirono.

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 5.41

Adolf Wahrmund (Translator)

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