Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, Adolf Wahrmund (Translator), 5.102

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Melier: „Wir.wissender auch, daß das Kriegsglück
die Loose manchmal gleichmäßiger vertheilt, als nach der vershciedenen
Stärke beider Theile zu erwarten wäre. Und uns, wenn wir euch
jetzt sogleich nachgeben^ ist jede Hoffnung abgeschnitten;, handeln wir
aber, so bleibt uns immer-noch die Hoffnung, uns aufrecht zu
halten."

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Adolf Wahrmund (Translator). Stuttgart. 1864.

Current edition First1KGreek

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs (German) (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.)

Editions (1)

Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 5.102.1 focus

ΜΗΛ.

ἀλλ’ ἐπιστάμεθα τὰ τῶν πολέμων ἔστιν ὅτε κοινοτέρας τὰς τύχας λαμβάνοντα ἢ κατὰ τὸ διαφέρον ἑκατέρων πλῆθος· καὶ ἡμῖν τὸ μὲν εἶξαι εὐθὺς ἀνέλπιστον, μετὰ δὲ τοῦ δρωμένου ἔτι καὶ στῆναι ἐλπὶς ὀρθῶς.

Translations (9)

The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 5.102.1 focus

[1] Mel. But we know that, in matter of war, the event is sometimes otherwise than according to the difference of number in sides; and that if we yield presently, all our hope is lost; whereas if we hold out, we have yet a hope to keep ourselves up.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 5.102.1 focus

‘But we know that the fortune of war is sometimes more impartial than the disproportion of numbers might lead one to suppose; to submit is to give ourselves over to despair, while action still preserves for us a hope that we may stand erect.’

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.) — 5.102 focus

Melier: „Bekanntlich aber ist das Glück im Kriege
manchmal auch dem Schwachen günstig, und die Verschiedenheit
der beiderseitigen Kräfte gibt nicht unbedingt den Ausschlag.
Wenn wir uns gleich ergeben, haben wir überhaupt nichts
mehr zu hoffen; greifen wir aber zu den Waffen, so bleibt
uns wenigstens die Hoffnung, glücklich durchzukommen."

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 5.102 focus

CII L es M éliens. « Mais nous savons que les chances à la guerre ne se partagent pas toujours suivant la force respective des armées;, et d’ailleurs si nous cédons immédiatement, c’en est fait de tout espoir; si nous résistons, au contraire, nous pouvons encore espérer le succès.

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 5.102 focus

Les Méliens. Nous savons que le sort des armes est sujet à bien des -retours, qui ne se règlent pas sur les forcer relatives; céder sur-le-champ, c’est nous fermer toute espérance, tandis qu’avec de l’énergie, il y a encore chance de nous sauver.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 5.102.1 focus

[1] MEL. “But we know that the fortune of war is sometimes impartial and not in accord with the difference in numbers. And for us, to yield is at once to give up hope; but if we make an effort, there is still hope that we may stand erect.”

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 5.102.1 focus

[1] Mel.

But we know that warlike measures sometimes come to more impartial results than might have been expected from the different numbers on each side. And in our case to yield is immediate despair; but by making an effort there is yet hope of our keeping ourselves up.

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 5.102.1 focus

[1] Mel. Sed scimus, res bellicas interdum exitus habere magis communes, quam pro diversa utrorumque multitudine. et nobis, si statim quidem cesserimus, nulla spes superest, sed si rem geramus, spes adhuc est fore ut recte consistamus.

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 5.102 focus

Melii. « et Sappiamo però che le guerre talora soggiacciono ad eventualità più inaspettate di quel che porterebbe la differenza del uumero dei due eserciti. Per noi il ceder subito cessa ogni speranza ; dove col far di fatti vi è speranza di seguitare a sostenersi ».

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 5.102

Adolf Wahrmund (Translator)

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