Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, Henry Dale (Translator), 5.108.1

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[1] Mel.

Nay, but we are of opinion that they would even incur dangers for our sake, more than usual, and would regard them as less hazardous than ¹ in the case of others; in as much as we he near the Peloponnese, for the execution of their measures; while in feeling we are, through our kindred with them, more to be trusted than another party would be.

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Henry Dale (Translator). London. 1851.

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History of the Peloponnesian War (English) (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.)

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Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 5.108.1 focus

ΜΗΛ.

ἀλλὰ καὶ τοὺς κινδύνους τε ἡμῶν ἕνεκα μᾶλλον ἡγούμεθ’ ἂν ἐγχειρίσασθαι αὐτούς, καὶ βεβαιοτέρους ἢ ἐς ἄλλους νομιεῖν, ὅσῳ πρὸς μὲν τὰ ἔργα τῆς Πελοποννήσου ἐγγὺς κείμεθα, τῆς δὲ γνώμης τῷ ξυγγενεῖ πιστότεροι ἑτέρων ἐσμέν.

Translations (9)

The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 5.108.1 focus

[1] Mel. But we suppose that they will undertake danger for us rather than for any other; and that they think that we will be more assured unto them than unto any other, because for action, we lie near to Peloponnesus, and for affection, are more faithful than others for our nearness of kin.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 5.108.1 focus

‘But we believe that they would be more likely to face even danger for our sake, and with more confidence than for others, as our nearness to Peloponnese makes it easier for them to act; and our common blood insures our fidelity.’

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.) — 5.108 focus

Melier: „Wir aber.glauben, daß sie sich auch diesen
Gefahren .um unsertwillen lieber unterziehen, und daß sie von uns
um so mehr erwarten als von Andern, als wir zu thätigem Beistand
nahe beim Peloponnes liegen und der Blutsverwandtschaft wegen
für sie auch der Gesinnung nach zuverlässiger als Andere sind."

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.) — 5.108 focus

Melier: „Wir glauben aber, daß sie sich für uns um
so lieber und unbedenklicher als für andere Gefahren aus
setzen werden, da wir ihnen im Peloponnes so nahe vor der
Tür liegen, und sie bei unseren verwandtschaftlichen Gesin
nungen auf uns sicherer als auf andere zählen können."

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 5.108 focus

CVIII. L es M éliens. « Néanmoins nous pensons que pour nous ils s’y exposeront plus volontiers, et croiront leurs sacrifices plus sûrement placés qu’avec d’autres; car notre proximité du Péloponnèse nous met plus à portée d’agir, et la communauté d’origine garantit mieux la fidélité de nos sentiments.

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 5.108 focus

Les Méliens. Nous croyons qu’ils n’hésiteront pas à es affronter pour notre défense, et qu’ils auront pleine et en-ière confiance en nous. Notre proximité du Péloponèse leur acilite les moyens d’action, et la communauté d’origine leur garantit notre fidélité.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 5.108.1 focus

[1] MEL. “Nay, but even the dangers we believe they would be more ready to incur for our sakes, and that they would consider them less hazardous than if incurred for others, inasmuch as we lie close to the Peloponnesus when anything is to be undertaken there and on account of affinity of sentiment are more to be trusted than any others.”

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 5.108.1 focus

[1] Mel. Imo vero existimamus ipsos nostri causa eo facilius pericula suscepturos, et ea m nobis subire quam in aliis tutius esse credituros, quo ad res quidem gerendas Peloponneso propius habitamus, ad animorum vero fidem propter cognationem certiores quam alii sumus.

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 5.108 focus

Melii. a Anzi crediamo che per noi tanto pii prontamente affronteranno i pericoli, e ci riguarderano come amici più fermi per loro che per gli altri , in quanto che per i bisogni di guerra risediamo vicini al Peloponneso, e pel sentimento che nasce dalla parentela , meritiamo più confidenza degli altri ».

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History of the Peloponnesian War

1. ἐς ἄλλους.] Arnold thinks that perhaps παρακινδυνεῦσαι or παραβαλεῖν may be substituted for the kindred substantive κινδύνους, so as to avoid the harsh construction of κινδύνους ἐς ἀλλους,

pericula propter alios suscepta,

as Scholefield renders it. But there seems no necessity for any such change, if ἐς be taken in the more general sense of relation, which it frequently admits of. Compare 105. 1, τῆς ἀνθρωπείας τῶν μὲν ἐς τὸ θεῖον νομίσεως τῶν δ᾽ ἐς σφᾶς αὐτοὺς βουλήσεως.—The same sense must, I think, be attributed to the genitive τῆς γνώμης in the last clause of the chapter: though Poppo objects to it, and proposes to substitute either the dative or accusative.

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 5.108.1

Henry Dale (Translator)

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